# Alarm Journal at System startup **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition\ **Tags:** ignition79\ **Created:** [October 2, 2019, 10:20am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarm-journal-at-system-startup/28732 "2019-10-02T10:20:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pgmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d07c76/32.png) [@pgmo](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pgmo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2019, 10:20am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarm-journal-at-system-startup/28732/1 "2019-10-02T10:20:41Z")
Hi everyone, I’m using Ignition **7.9.12 (b2019070213)**. My customer is complaining that each time he powers the PC on and the Gateway starts, the Alarm Journal gets full of alarm records saying that that specific alarm is in the **Clear** state. Reading through the Alarm Journal I confirm that just after gateway startup, each and every alarm defined in the gateway gets logged as **Clear**. My alarms are defined as `Bit State` alarms on 32 bits words. The guy who is responsible for the PLC programming, says that he is sure that at system startup no ON-\>OFF front takes place for alarm bits. Any idea? Thanks in advance, regards ---
**Author:** ![paul-griffith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/paul-griffith/32/37249_2.png) [@paul-griffith](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/paul-griffith)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarm-journal-at-system-startup/28732/2 "2019-10-02T16:08:17Z")
Do you have the system set to ‘persist alarms’? Check Config → Gateway Settings: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/2X/e/e97b311085d2e3415bdc4ce421af9cabf2fc2a4f.png) [https://docs.inductiveautomation.com/display/DOC80/Gateway+Settings#GatewaySettings-GatewaySettings](https://docs.inductiveautomation.com/display/DOC80/Gateway+Settings#GatewaySettings-GatewaySettings) ---
**Author:** ![pgmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d07c76/32.png) [@pgmo](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pgmo)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 12:55pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarm-journal-at-system-startup/28732/3 "2019-12-02T12:55:42Z")
Hallo PGriffith, sorry for being so late back to you. I did the configuration you suggested, but unfortunately after checking on site this morning, the **Clear** state alarm log entries appear every morning after PC power on. Any further suggestion? Thanks in advance ---
**Author:** ![pgmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d07c76/32.png) [@pgmo](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pgmo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 2:57pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarm-journal-at-system-startup/28732/4 "2020-06-16T14:57:24Z")
> [@paul-griffith](#): > > Do you have the system set to ‘persist alarms’? Check Config -\> Gateway Settings: Hallo Mr PGriffith, I'm back to you on this topic some months later. Unfortunately my customer is still complaining about alarms issue at system startup. As I told you in my last answer, I checked that the **Persist Alarms** parameter is set to off. As a workaround I thought to delete all alarms in the journal between 8:00 pm (stop working hour in the evening) and 7:00 am (start working hour in the morning), but I don't like it very much. I hope you have some more suggestions. (Ignition: **7.9.12 (b2019070213)**) Thanks in advance, regards ---
**Author:** ![paul-griffith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/paul-griffith/32/37249_2.png) [@paul-griffith](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/paul-griffith)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 3:30pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarm-journal-at-system-startup/28732/5 "2020-06-16T15:30:38Z")
Have you been in contact with support? This forum isn’t an official support venue. I should have directed you that way in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![pgmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d07c76/32.png) [@pgmo](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pgmo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 3:34pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarm-journal-at-system-startup/28732/6 "2020-06-16T15:34:17Z")
No, no contact yet: how to do it? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![paul-griffith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/paul-griffith/32/37249_2.png) [@paul-griffith](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/paul-griffith)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 3:36pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarm-journal-at-system-startup/28732/7 "2020-06-16T15:36:37Z")
[https://support.inductiveautomation.com/](https://support.inductiveautomation.com/) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/2X/4/4cca5a2fa0587acb0da202cae68e8891e960f20b.png) ---
**Author:** ![pgmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d07c76/32.png) [@pgmo](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pgmo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarm-journal-at-system-startup/28732/8 "2020-06-16T15:38:18Z")
Thanks, Mr PGriffith, I will contact them ---
**Author:** ![g.bonomini](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5ac83/32.png) [@g.bonomini](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/g.bonomini)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:34am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarm-journal-at-system-startup/28732/9 "2022-09-30T10:34:12Z")
Do you solve the problem with support? I have same problem but in version 8.1.10. At event evt:System Startup I see all alarms defined in Ignition to active. ---
**Author:** ![pgmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d07c76/32.png) [@pgmo](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pgmo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 10:45am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarm-journal-at-system-startup/28732/10 "2022-10-03T10:45:23Z")
Hi @g.bonomini, unfortunately I had no success. My workaround:in the _Gateway Startup Script_ I programmed a python that after 5 seconds from the start (that cannot be a precise time interval) clears all records in the _alarm\_events_ table with an `eventflags` field of `Cleared Event` `AND` with a timestamp which points to the same interval. This solution has been accepted by the customer and we are happy with that. Regards