# Alarms do not appear in the alarm journal table until saved from the designer

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**Category:** Ignition\
**Tags:** vision\
**Created:** [April 8, 2025, 4:44pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarms-do-not-appear-in-the-alarm-journal-table-until-saved-from-the-designer/104843 "2025-04-08T16:44:29Z")\
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**Author:** ![nathan.jordan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/53a042/32.png) [@nathan.jordan](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nathan.jordan)\
**Post date:** [April 8, 2025, 4:44pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarms-do-not-appear-in-the-alarm-journal-table-until-saved-from-the-designer/104843/1 "2025-04-08T16:44:29Z")

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If I have alarms that get triggered, cleared, and acknowledged from an alarm status table, they do not get updated in the alarm journal straight away.

I have the 2 components on the same window and just change the visibility and am using an internal alarm journal.

For example if I acknowledge an alarm in the alarm status table, it disappears from the alarm status table, but will not show on the alarm journal table until I save the project from the designer.

I assume the journal must be refreshed somehow but cannot seem to find a way to do so.

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**Author:** ![paul-griffith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/paul-griffith/32/37249_2.png) [@paul-griffith](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/paul-griffith)\
**Post date:** [April 8, 2025, 5:06pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/alarms-do-not-appear-in-the-alarm-journal-table-until-saved-from-the-designer/104843/2 "2025-04-08T17:06:50Z")

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The journal table component doesn't poll by default. If you want it to poll, you need to add a binding to the start and end date properties; I'd recommend adding expression bindings with something like:  
Start Date: `addHours(now(5000), -8)`  
End Date: `now(5000)`

The 5000 is a poll rate for the expression, in milliseconds, meaning every five seconds both properties will update.