# \[BUG-6909\] Property Binding bug in Piping Elements **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition Early Access\ **Created:** [December 8, 2022, 5:36am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371 "2022-12-08T05:36:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nader.chinichian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nader.chinichian/32/9261_2.png) [@nader.chinichian](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nader.chinichian)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 5:36am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371/1 "2022-12-08T05:36:05Z")
As of 8.1.22 the copy and paste of binding don't apply to the property of pipe elements. And when editing pipes some of the property bindings disappear. ---
**Author:** ![ynejati](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/ynejati/32/6093_2.png) [@ynejati](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/ynejati)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371/2 "2022-12-09T16:42:19Z")
Thanks for reporting, Nader. We will investigate and prioritize accordingly. Appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![Carter\_Wente](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Carter\_Wente](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Carter_Wente)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371/3 "2024-02-09T14:37:06Z")
Any progess on this? I'm currently using 8.1.36 and still have this issue. ---
**Author:** ![jfwoodland](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/977dab/32.png) [@jfwoodland](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jfwoodland)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371/4 "2024-04-09T20:23:55Z")
Same issue here. It's driving me crazy...... ---
**Author:** ![nader.chinichian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nader.chinichian/32/9261_2.png) [@nader.chinichian](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nader.chinichian)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 6:24am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371/5 "2024-04-10T06:24:04Z")
For the moment put your binding on something else and use script transform and in python code target the piping properties you want to change and write your value. ---
**Author:** ![jfwoodland](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/977dab/32.png) [@jfwoodland](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jfwoodland)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 11:34pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371/6 "2024-04-10T23:34:42Z")
Good suggestion, thanks- ---
**Author:** ![franklepkowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/franklepkowski/32/4808_2.png) [@franklepkowski](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/franklepkowski)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 2:59am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371/7 "2024-08-21T02:59:05Z")
Hello, Still seeing odd behavior with pipes and bindings in 8.1.37. Bindings seem to change or disappear randomly. You can copy and paste bindings and they do not show up until you leave the pipe area of the menu tree and re-enter. It is maddening. Regards, Frank ---
**Author:** ![andrew.budaiev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/andrew.budaiev/32/72921_2.png) [@andrew.budaiev](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/andrew.budaiev)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371/8 "2024-11-29T00:30:00Z")
> [@franklepkowski](#): > > You can copy and paste bindings and they do not show up until you leave the pipe area of the menu tree and re-enter. It is maddening. . Very annoying. 8.1.44. ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_McIlvenna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/robert_mcilvenna/32/80238_2.png) [@Robert\_McIlvenna](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Robert_McIlvenna)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 6:46pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371/9 "2025-02-05T18:46:25Z")
same issue here ---
**Author:** ![James\_Toor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@James\_Toor](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/James_Toor)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 11:27pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371/10 "2025-02-06T23:27:52Z")
same issue here 8.1.45 ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Waters1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/4bbf92/32.png) [@Wesley\_Waters1](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Wesley_Waters1)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2026, 8:29pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371/11 "2026-02-26T20:29:08Z")
8.3 This is still an issue. The trick of pasting your binding, selecting something else, and coming back to the pipes list does make the binding show up. Another bug to watch out for if you change the order or your pipes/add pipes/split any pipes. If the order changes your bindings are array based and will not stick with the pipe that they were originally assigned to but will instead stick to the array of whichever pipe they were originally assigned to. ---
**Author:** ![paul-griffith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/paul-griffith/32/37249_2.png) [@paul-griffith](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/paul-griffith)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2026, 9:03pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371/12 "2026-02-26T21:03:47Z")
There's a massive bugfix/performance pass for piping in the works. No guarantee on timing of when it releases, but this particular issue is highlighted as fixed in those changes. ---
**Author:** ![nader.chinichian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nader.chinichian/32/9261_2.png) [@nader.chinichian](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nader.chinichian)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2026, 6:27am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-6909-property-binding-bug-in-piping-elements/67371/13 "2026-02-27T06:27:47Z")
Glad to hear that the piping drawing tools is great tools and user-friendly but because of performance issues it is useless now and people force to use external svg editor for large piping system.