# Designer Glitches: loss of Copy, Paste, Send to Back etc **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition\ **Created:** [February 11, 2025, 10:28pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-glitches-loss-of-copy-paste-send-to-back-etc/102217 "2025-02-11T22:28:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mturkov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/mturkov/32/42470_2.png) [@mturkov](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/mturkov)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 10:28pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-glitches-loss-of-copy-paste-send-to-back-etc/102217/1 "2025-02-11T22:28:12Z")
Version 8.1.35 Ever programming in the Designer, moving objects around and after a while the copy/paste feature stops working? Send to back/move to front just disappears. The only way around this I have seen is to close the designer out and restart it. Happens almost every time I work in the designer for extended time: 3-4 hours. ---
**Author:** ![Benjamin\_Furlani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/benjamin_furlani/32/66084_2.png) [@Benjamin\_Furlani](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Benjamin_Furlani)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 2:09pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-glitches-loss-of-copy-paste-send-to-back-etc/102217/2 "2025-02-12T14:09:15Z")
I feel like every new version there are different things that vanish on me. I restart about 2 times a day. This only really happens when I do a ton of screen development all at once. If I am just adding bindings, scripts, etc. then I don't really have this problem. ---
**Author:** ![pturmel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/pturmel/32/3295_2.png) [@pturmel](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pturmel)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-glitches-loss-of-copy-paste-send-to-back-etc/102217/3 "2025-02-12T14:20:44Z")
I wonder if this is OS-related. I'm always running my designers in Linux, lots of different versions, and I just don't have these problems. At all. ---
**Author:** ![Benjamin\_Furlani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/benjamin_furlani/32/66084_2.png) [@Benjamin\_Furlani](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Benjamin_Furlani)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 2:50pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-glitches-loss-of-copy-paste-send-to-back-etc/102217/4 "2025-02-12T14:50:02Z")
Sadly windows is the standard for too many places. ---
**Author:** ![Benjamin\_Furlani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/benjamin_furlani/32/66084_2.png) [@Benjamin\_Furlani](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Benjamin_Furlani)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 9:15pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-glitches-loss-of-copy-paste-send-to-back-etc/102217/5 "2025-02-20T21:15:15Z")
Feels like a relevant thing to happen (I am sure it is a side effect of using Windows) Along with random loss of ability to copy and paste, after a few hours I get screen tearing when resizing the panels. It just seems to stroke out every once in a while. 😋 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/8/0/80b1c2fed85c00c1508bb6f5c3b7abbf4e925830.png) ---
**Author:** ![kvane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kvane/32/22228_2.png) [@kvane](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/kvane)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 10:12pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-glitches-loss-of-copy-paste-send-to-back-etc/102217/6 "2025-02-20T22:12:57Z")
FWIW, the loss of copy/paste etc in Perspective is a bug in the Designer I have seen and when looking into making a ticket for it, was told it may have been resolved with an update in 8.1.40. Often re-opening the resource: typically a view or window, fixes it Since then I don't think I've seen the issue working in Perspective, but I think I've still seen it in Vision recently. If you are running into this issue while not working on a Visualization resource that would be a new problem to me. We use Window's VMs for classes. ---
**Author:** ![Chris\_Bingham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Chris\_Bingham](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Chris_Bingham)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 10:30pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-glitches-loss-of-copy-paste-send-to-back-etc/102217/7 "2025-02-20T22:30:56Z")
I have not experienced the loss of copy/paste -yet- in 8.1.44. However, lack of Send to Front/Back is still apparent. In addition to closing & opening the view, I've noticed that I can sometimes 'get things working again' by deep-selecting different containers (especially a parent - or root container) before attempting Send to Front/Back. ---
**Author:** ![elijah.roberts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a6a055/32.png) [@elijah.roberts](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/elijah.roberts)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 2:15am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-glitches-loss-of-copy-paste-send-to-back-etc/102217/8 "2025-02-21T02:15:09Z")
I’m in 8.1.44 or 45 I think. The one thing I’ve noticed and maybe it is what the OP is talking about or maybe not. I will have the copy, paste, delete and duplicate not be selectable anymore in a view or across the perspective module. The fix for me has been running the view in preview mode then stopping it and the options come back. ---
**Author:** ![msteele](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/msteele/32/77889_2.png) [@msteele](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/msteele)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 2:31am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-glitches-loss-of-copy-paste-send-to-back-etc/102217/9 "2025-02-21T02:31:47Z")
I have experienced this copy/paste/duplicate issue in 8.1.44 and often have to close/reopen views to resolve.