# Designer not showing perspective options for 8.1 project on side panel **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition 8.3 Early Access\ **Tags:** perspective\ **Created:** [May 14, 2025, 1:59pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-not-showing-perspective-options-for-8-1-project-on-side-panel/106257 "2025-05-14T13:59:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Leor\_Fishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Leor\_Fishman](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Leor_Fishman)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 1:59pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-not-showing-perspective-options-for-8-1-project-on-side-panel/106257/1 "2025-05-14T13:59:35Z")
I'm trying to open the 8.1 samplequickstart project in the designer and not seeing the perspective tab in the sidebar ---
**Author:** ![Leor\_Fishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Leor\_Fishman](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Leor_Fishman)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 2:05pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-not-showing-perspective-options-for-8-1-project-on-side-panel/106257/2 "2025-05-14T14:05:04Z")
Here's the logs: ```python java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: 'java.util.Optional com.inductiveautomation.ignition.client.util.JxBrowserUtil.getOrCreateEngine(com.inductiveautomation.ignition.client.launch.LaunchContext, com.teamdev.jxbrowser.engine.RenderingMode, java.lang.String, java.lang.String)' at com.inductiveautomation.perspective.designer.DesignerHook.startup(DesignerHook.java:227) at com.inductiveautomation.ignition.designer.IgnitionDesigner$LoadedModule.startup(IgnitionDesigner.java:2003) at com.inductiveautomation.ignition.designer.IgnitionDesigner.startupModule(IgnitionDesigner.java:1200) at com.inductiveautomation.ignition.designer.IgnitionDesigner.loadProject(IgnitionDesigner.java:1003) at com.inductiveautomation.ignition.designer.IgnitionDesigner$StartupProjectDialogHandler.lambda$new$2(IgnitionDesigner.java:2047) at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source) ``` ---
**Author:** ![Leor\_Fishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Leor\_Fishman](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Leor_Fishman)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 2:28pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-not-showing-perspective-options-for-8-1-project-on-side-panel/106257/3 "2025-05-14T14:28:00Z")
that prooooobably shouldn't fail silently if it fails ---
**Author:** ![paul-griffith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/paul-griffith/32/37249_2.png) [@paul-griffith](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/paul-griffith)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 2:32pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-not-showing-perspective-options-for-8-1-project-on-side-panel/106257/4 "2025-05-14T14:32:38Z")
You've upgraded incorrectly somehow; `NoSuchMethodError` indicates a mismatch between the expected JxBrowser API we've compiled against and the actual dependency jar you've gotten. Do your Perspective module and base Ignition build dates align? ---
**Author:** ![Leor\_Fishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Leor\_Fishman](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Leor_Fishman)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-not-showing-perspective-options-for-8-1-project-on-side-panel/106257/5 "2025-05-14T14:37:50Z")
How do I check those? ---
**Author:** ![Leor\_Fishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Leor\_Fishman](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Leor_Fishman)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 2:44pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-not-showing-perspective-options-for-8-1-project-on-side-panel/106257/6 "2025-05-14T14:44:17Z")
I just tried using the 'download designer launcher' from my installed ignition 8.3 build and observed the same issue ---
**Author:** ![paul-griffith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/paul-griffith/32/37249_2.png) [@paul-griffith](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/paul-griffith)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 2:51pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-not-showing-perspective-options-for-8-1-project-on-side-panel/106257/7 "2025-05-14T14:51:29Z")
First, check the modules page (`/app/platform/system/modules`) and the build version there - make sure it lines up with the version from whatever installer you last used. Then to verify JxBrowser you need to check the filesystem directly. In `$installDirectory/lib/opt/jxbrowser` there'll be a bunch of versioned jars per platform, which should all be 8.5.0. ---
**Author:** ![Leor\_Fishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Leor\_Fishman](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Leor_Fishman)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 2:53pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-not-showing-perspective-options-for-8-1-project-on-side-panel/106257/8 "2025-05-14T14:53:29Z")
All my modules look like they have the same version, (b2025041016), and all my JARs are 8.5.0 ---
**Author:** ![Leor\_Fishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Leor\_Fishman](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Leor_Fishman)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 3:03pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-not-showing-perspective-options-for-8-1-project-on-side-panel/106257/9 "2025-05-14T15:03:06Z")
I can upgrade this evening and let y'all know if the issue persists ---
**Author:** ![Leor\_Fishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Leor\_Fishman](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Leor_Fishman)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2025, 2:31pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-not-showing-perspective-options-for-8-1-project-on-side-panel/106257/10 "2025-05-15T14:31:23Z")
Upgrading running the ignition installer didn't fix it, but manually installing the modl file did. Weird ---
**Author:** ![paul-griffith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/paul-griffith/32/37249_2.png) [@paul-griffith](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/paul-griffith)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2025, 4:38pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-not-showing-perspective-options-for-8-1-project-on-side-panel/106257/11 "2025-05-15T16:38:58Z")
Might be an issue with the version detection logic in 8.3, since they're both "dev" versions, so maybe the installer didn't properly nuke/replace the old version. For now I'll chalk it up to that. ---
**Author:** ![Leor\_Fishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Leor\_Fishman](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Leor_Fishman)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2025, 4:41pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/designer-not-showing-perspective-options-for-8-1-project-on-side-panel/106257/12 "2025-05-15T16:41:52Z")
makes sense -- maybe note that in the deployables thread?