# External identify provdier (idP) - Initiate authentication and roles **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition\ **Created:** [January 4, 2021, 11:39am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/external-identify-provdier-idp-initiate-authentication-and-roles/41918 "2021-01-04T11:39:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![weertske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/weertske/32/3353_2.png) [@weertske](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/weertske)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/external-identify-provdier-idp-initiate-authentication-and-roles/41918/21 "2021-06-22T20:21:21Z")
Within Okta I create a “group” for each of the “roles” I need. For the user logging in, I collect the groups that they are a member of and then map that value to “roles”. ---
**Author:** ![jspecht](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/jspecht/32/6465_2.png) [@jspecht](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jspecht)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/external-identify-provdier-idp-initiate-authentication-and-roles/41918/22 "2021-06-25T15:29:48Z")
For posterity - a new auto login feature was added to Perspective in 8.1.8 which addresses some of the questions earlier in this thread. See: > [@Nightly 8.1 Changelogs - 2021](http://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/nightly-8-1-changelogs-2021/42410/95): > > Nightly Changelog: 8.1.8-b20210604 Visualization 705: Edge Plugins page displaying incorrect and outdated information Updated the Edge Overview page to better reflect activated plugins when license is applied. 2656: In Vision 8.1.5, Property Bindings on Grouped Components Persist After the Grouping is Removed, Resulting in Null Pointer Exceptions and an Undeletable Component Fixed issue that left orphaned bindings in place when un-grouping a group with bindings on it. 2471: Perspective Rou… [Previous page](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/external-identify-provdier-idp-initiate-authentication-and-roles/41918.md?page=1)