# External identify provdier (idP) - Initiate authentication and roles

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**Category:** Ignition\
**Created:** [January 4, 2021, 11:39am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/external-identify-provdier-idp-initiate-authentication-and-roles/41918 "2021-01-04T11:39:56Z")\
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**Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/external-identify-provdier-idp-initiate-authentication-and-roles/41918/2 "2021-01-04T13:06:29Z")

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> [@SBL\_MC](#):
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> Is it possible to skip pressing login at step 1, and have the authentication started with no user input?

Check out this thread... [[FEATURE-1402] Perspective "autologin" IdP](http://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/perspective-autologin-idp/40221)

> [@SBL\_MC](#):
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> How does Roles work with external idP? I set required Client role to “admin” but could still login from Auth0, even if these users does not have any admin rights.

Client Roles only apply to User Sources. Also, AFAIK, the "Required Roles Setting" only applies to Vision Clients... its really in the wrong section of the Project Properties, but has been in that spot for ~10 years...

For Perspective, you want Perspective \> Permissions in the project properties. That will control login to Perspective.

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