# \[FEATURE\] Increase usability of the Perspective Power Chart component **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition\ **Tags:** ignition81, perspective\ **Created:** [September 29, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474 "2021-09-29T22:39:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pascal.fragnoud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/pascal.fragnoud/32/24728_2.png) [@pascal.fragnoud](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pascal.fragnoud)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 1:15pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/21 "2022-01-24T13:15:02Z")
> [@jball](#): > > unfortunately, you’re stuck with the tag names in the tag browser I kind of "fixed" it by using the translation manager... That's the only way I found to work around unreadable tag names. ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/22 "2022-02-03T23:40:11Z")
Found a couple other things: 1. When zooming in quite far, this is all I see in my x-axis. I don’t know what date/time this is apart from that it happened at something and ~34/35s. It looks really strange seeing the seconds reported as “:35” as well (at least I think they’re seconds!). ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/3/4/34c4c977c39b78af45d8d952257ee23fb07dce6c.png) The axis in my opinion should still have all the information you need. Something like this: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/f/2/f29e0a5aa09db37ac10fde43d8b678c3bd1e329d.png) 1. This has also always been very awkward for me to interpolate values between: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/b/2/b2128e2f8009557c571dedda615c404dd18fe373.png) The x-axis increments should be at fixed offset values (e.g. divisible by a fixed number: 2, 5, 10, etc.), not just stay fixed in their positions and change values along with the updates of the plot, going from e.g. 4:51…4:52… 4:53. This adds so much more mental load in order to constantly try to interpolate the times between points that are constantly changing offsets and particularly changing intervals when zooming in to stupid numbers like 13 17 19. Maybe i’m just “to dum” 🙄 but I very much pity our operators trying to read them! E.g. this is what I would expect: an x axis whose notches move along with the time: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/3/3/334b39b3e4de864cbc0085dba0557548a60debcd.png) And if I zoomed in: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/c/8/c8ee49649e915ae7a743455cb0c4cab7f986fc0c.png) ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 5:27am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/23 "2022-02-08T05:27:15Z")
And this is what I meant about displaying sampled being unusable. (the higher you increase the # samples the more stable it is, but this is at default settings) This is server CPU and memory usage. Notice the ups and down change every second, and sometimes large spikes from 30% to 70% and 80% appear and then disappear the next second for the same point in time. [https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/9/a/9a6f601bf56d8fde06f0fb195e4ef3bc8be725b3.mp4](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/9/a/9a6f601bf56d8fde06f0fb195e4ef3bc8be725b3.mp4) ---
**Author:** ![louagejasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/louagejasper/32/86311_2.png) [@louagejasper](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/louagejasper)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 8:48am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/24 "2022-02-08T08:48:16Z")
I just want to send my support on this topic. Power chart should be better. ---
**Author:** ![kirsten.chambers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/48db29/32.png) [@kirsten.chambers](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/kirsten.chambers)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 8:57pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/25 "2022-02-21T20:57:34Z")
@jball @Carl.Gould Apologies for the ping, but it has been several months since these tickets were created, I looked for and have seen no movement on the nightly change logs, and we have several users breathing down our necks wanting the data to be returned “as stored” instead of sampled. Could we get an update on where this ticket stands, and if possible, a timeframe? It would be helpful to know if it’s worth pursuing rolling our own charting functionality or using someone else’s implementation in the meantime, or if I’ve just missed the update, lol. Thank you very much! ---
**Author:** ![jball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/jball/32/11128_2.png) [@jball](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jball)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:50pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/26 "2022-02-22T19:50:23Z")
@kirsten.chambers, we just prioritized several power chart tickets for the upcoming development sprint. I also bumped the priority on the “As Stored” ticket based on your feedback. ---
**Author:** ![kirsten.chambers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/48db29/32.png) [@kirsten.chambers](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/kirsten.chambers)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/27 "2022-02-22T20:12:33Z")
Thank you very much! 😊 ---
**Author:** ![kyle.demerath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5e9695/32.png) [@kyle.demerath](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/kyle.demerath)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 8:40pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/28 "2022-02-22T20:40:46Z")
Another thing I would suggest is that when realtime is chosen that trending tags are considered leased or at least make that an option. Last I checked that wasn’t the case and we had to use some custom values to make sure they would update at the leased rate. ---
**Author:** ![bfearnow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/bfearnow/32/3337_2.png) [@bfearnow](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/bfearnow)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2022, 4:00am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/29 "2022-03-05T04:00:10Z")
I added a feature request to also be able to display units for the pens. Right now we do this via a change script but it sure we be nice to have this developed in. ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2022, 4:02am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/30 "2022-03-05T04:02:14Z")
Usually units are displayed in the axes labels, but I can see adding these to the pen labels as being useful as well if you have multiple pens with different units on the one axis ---
**Author:** ![bfearnow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/bfearnow/32/3337_2.png) [@bfearnow](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/bfearnow)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2022, 4:03am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/31 "2022-03-05T04:03:41Z")
Exactly we tend to have several pens on the same chart where the scaling of on axis works out OK but the units of the pens may be a little different. ---
**Author:** ![bfearnow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/bfearnow/32/3337_2.png) [@bfearnow](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/bfearnow)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2022, 4:05am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/32 "2022-03-05T04:05:22Z")
> [@Kevin.Schuette](#): > > The users need ability to save their own chart configurations Kevin, You can do this by saving the configuration to a DB, but a built in way to do it would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2022, 4:09am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/33 "2022-03-05T04:09:11Z")
Sounds like a good idea for an exchange component. That way we can also be in charge of it and modify if we need to without being stuck with what we’re given, so to speak, as one solution doesn’t always meet everyone’s expectations or needs. But at least with an exchange component, everyone isn’t starting from scratch each time ---
**Author:** ![JClayton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/jclayton/32/26566_2.png) [@JClayton](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/JClayton)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 8:41pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/34 "2022-03-11T20:41:51Z")
this is all great info. Id like to add a few that i am trying to overcome to make this tool more useful for my group. When dev is being done and the project is saved it wipes out everyone’s current charts they have open. we have tried implementing the project update countdown to give time to save what you have open. However, the window pops up right over the save chart controls and i cant for the life of me figure out a workaround. anyone solve this issue? ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/d/d/dd1498bb094bf70d6d10b41437edfee742895502.png) the other one is our save / Done button is covered by the maximize button on our screens, another one i cant seem to find a fix for. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/7/e/7e343a201bd6dabb513908a1f3563194565ee7c4.png) any help would be very appreciated ---
**Author:** ![tupanaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5daacb/32.png) [@tupanaster](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/tupanaster)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 10:56am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/35 "2022-03-28T10:56:43Z")
> [@pascal.fragnoud](#): > > I kind of “fixed” it by using the translation manager… That’s the only way I found to work around unreadable tag names. Is that using English Alternate translation or another language? > [@nminchin](#): > > And this is what I meant about displaying sampled being unusable. (the higher you increase the # samples the more stable it is, but this is at default settings) Do you recall the number of samples that worked for you? I'm getting a weird line from the bottom up when point count is increased from 300 (default) to 400. ![2022-03-29-09-21-34](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/8/a/8a1a1e7a841c1fad2b111011d3de4c454f0c0904.gif) The GIF is only showing the line sometimes but on the screen its always there. ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 1:07am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/36 "2022-03-31T01:07:58Z")
I usually at least double the default samples to 600, but it really depends: 1) how often you’re capturing data, 2) how often and how quickly values change, and 3) the time window you’re looking at ---
**Author:** ![Adriaan.leRoux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bbce88/32.png) [@Adriaan.leRoux](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Adriaan.leRoux)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 5:56am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/37 "2022-03-31T05:56:52Z")
Can you link to this please? I’d like to upvote it ---
**Author:** ![tupanaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5daacb/32.png) [@tupanaster](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/tupanaster)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 7:10am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/38 "2022-03-31T07:10:45Z")
Maybe we can get some empiric formula using those 3 variables 😆 Right now I’m using 1800 points as default ---
**Author:** ![pascal.fragnoud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/pascal.fragnoud/32/24728_2.png) [@pascal.fragnoud](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pascal.fragnoud)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 7:50am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/39 "2022-03-31T07:50:41Z")
> [@tupanaster](#): > > Is that using English Alternate translation or another language? English alternate if you want to translate to English, with the real tag name being the key. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Sample](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/4bbf92/32.png) [@James\_Sample](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/James_Sample)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474/40 "2022-05-09T20:51:40Z")
We’re on the fence about switching our process data historian needs to Ignition until the Power Chart is improved. Among the many features we need to see to justify a purchase right now: 1. No ability to search for tags in the browser. 2. When trending multiple variables with different orders of magnitude of values, the trend is nearly useless unless you put the variables in separate charts which somewhat defeats the purpose. 3. Need more options in terms of time retrieval such as custom ranges. [Previous page](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feature-increase-usability-of-the-perspective-power-chart-component/51474.md?page=3)