# Gateway hanging at starting after startup

**URL:** <https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698>\
**Category:** Ignition\
**Tags:** ignition80\
**Created:** [September 15, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698 "2020-09-15T16:12:14Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 16\
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**Author:** ![dgillis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/dgillis/32/4084_2.png) [@dgillis](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/dgillis)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/1 "2020-09-15T16:12:15Z")

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Hi there,

I’m using Ignition 8.0.16 on a win 10 VM in Virtualbox

I start the ignition service through the command line however the web interface is stuck perpetually at “Ignition Gateway is Starting”.

wrapper.log shows the following:

```auto
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | java.lang.InternalError: java.security.NoSuchAlgorithmException: Error constructing implementation (algorithm: Default, provider: SunJSSE, class: sun.security.ssl.SSLContextImpl$DefaultSSLContext)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.net.http/jdk.internal.net.http.HttpClientImpl.<init>(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.net.http/jdk.internal.net.http.HttpClientImpl.create(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.net.http/jdk.internal.net.http.HttpClientBuilderImpl.build(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at com.inductiveautomation.ignition.gateway.licensing.LicenseManagerImpl.createLeasedActivationStrategy(LicenseManagerImpl.java:154)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at com.inductiveautomation.ignition.gateway.licensing.LicenseManagerImpl.<init>(LicenseManagerImpl.java:118)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at com.inductiveautomation.ignition.gateway.modules.ModuleManagerImpl.init(ModuleManagerImpl.java:357)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at com.inductiveautomation.ignition.gateway.IgnitionGateway.startupInternal(IgnitionGateway.java:851)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at com.inductiveautomation.ignition.gateway.redundancy.RedundancyManagerImpl.startup(RedundancyManagerImpl.java:293)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at com.inductiveautomation.ignition.gateway.IgnitionGateway.initRedundancy(IgnitionGateway.java:710)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at com.inductiveautomation.ignition.gateway.IgnitionGateway.lambda$initInternal$0(IgnitionGateway.java:644)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at com.inductiveautomation.ignition.common.execution.impl.BasicExecutionEngine$ThrowableCatchingRunnable.run(BasicExecutionEngine.java:518)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/java.util.concurrent.Executors$RunnableAdapter.call(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$ScheduledFutureTask.run(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | Caused by: java.security.NoSuchAlgorithmException: Error constructing implementation (algorithm: Default, provider: SunJSSE, class: sun.security.ssl.SSLContextImpl$DefaultSSLContext)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/java.security.Provider$Service.newInstance(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/sun.security.jca.GetInstance.getInstance(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/sun.security.jca.GetInstance.getInstance(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/javax.net.ssl.SSLContext.getInstance(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/javax.net.ssl.SSLContext.getDefault(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | ... 17 common frames omitted
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | Caused by: java.security.KeyStoreException: problem accessing trust store
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/sun.security.ssl.TrustManagerFactoryImpl.engineInit(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/javax.net.ssl.TrustManagerFactory.init(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/sun.security.ssl.SSLContextImpl$DefaultManagersHolder.getTrustManagers(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/sun.security.ssl.SSLContextImpl$DefaultManagersHolder.<clinit>(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/sun.security.ssl.SSLContextImpl$DefaultSSLContext.<init>(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/jdk.internal.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/jdk.internal.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/jdk.internal.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/java.security.Provider.newInstanceUtil(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | ... 22 common frames omitted
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | Caused by: java.io.IOException: toDerInputStream rejects tag type 0
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/sun.security.util.DerValue.toDerInputStream(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/sun.security.pkcs12.PKCS12KeyStore.engineLoad(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/sun.security.util.KeyStoreDelegator.engineLoad(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/java.security.KeyStore.load(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/sun.security.ssl.TrustStoreManager$TrustAnchorManager.loadKeyStore(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/sun.security.ssl.TrustStoreManager$TrustAnchorManager.getTrustedCerts(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | at java.base/sun.security.ssl.TrustStoreManager.getTrustedCerts(Unknown Source)
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:07:31 | ... 32 common frames omitted

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Does anyone know why this is happening or how to fix it?

Thanks in advance.

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**Author:** ![code\_skin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/43a26b/32.png) [@code\_skin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/code_skin)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/2 "2020-09-15T16:16:11Z")

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> [@dgillis](#):
>
> Does anyone know why this is happening or how to fix it?

I'm not sure what's happening, it seems SSL certificate related but you can check out this post to see if you can fix your issue (note this post is client while yours is gateway):

> [@Ignition Client will not launch, throws error](http://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-client-will-not-launch-throws-error/37155):
>
> [Error] Guys, Any ideas what this error means? Client will not launch. 8.0.13 Thanks, Frank

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**Author:** ![dgillis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/dgillis/32/4084_2.png) [@dgillis](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/dgillis)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/3 "2020-09-15T16:17:53Z")

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Thanks @code_skin

I have tried wiping out the cache already with no results. It’s doing the same thing unfortunately.

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**Author:** ![Kevin.Herron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kevin.herron/32/7259_2.png) [@Kevin.Herron](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Kevin.Herron)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/4 "2020-09-15T16:19:41Z")

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Try this:

Stop the gateway, delete the runtime folder at `$IGNITION_INSTALL_DIR/lib/runtime/jre-win`, start the gateway.

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**Author:** ![dgillis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/dgillis/32/4084_2.png) [@dgillis](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/dgillis)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/5 "2020-09-15T16:31:02Z")

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Thanks @Kevin.Herron.

After doing this it seems ignition can’t find the path to java:

```auto
INFO | jvm 1 | 2020/09/15 09:25:05 | 09:25:05,402 |-INFO in ch.qos.logback.classic.AsyncAppender[DBAsync] - Queue flush finished successfully within timeout.
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:05 | <-- Wrapper Stopped
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | --> Wrapper Started as Service
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | Java Service Wrapper Standard Edition 64-bit 3.5.42
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | Copyright (C) 1999-2020 Tanuki Software, Ltd. All Rights Reserved.
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.com
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | Licensed to Inductive Automation for Inductive Automation
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | 
FATAL | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | Unable to execute Java command. The system cannot find the file specified. (0x2)
FATAL | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | "lib\runtime\jre-win\bin\java" -version
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | 
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | --------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | Advice:
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | Usually when the Wrapper fails to start the JVM process, it is
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | because of a problem with the value of the configured Java command.
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | Currently:
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | wrapper.java.command=lib\runtime\jre-win\bin\java
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | Please make sure that the PATH or any other referenced environment
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | variables are correctly defined for the current environment.
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | --------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | 
FATAL | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | Failed to resolve the version of Java.
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:25:52 | <-- Wrapper Stopped
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | --> Wrapper Started as Service
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | Java Service Wrapper Standard Edition 64-bit 3.5.42
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | Copyright (C) 1999-2020 Tanuki Software, Ltd. All Rights Reserved.
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.com
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | Licensed to Inductive Automation for Inductive Automation
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | 
FATAL | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | Unable to execute Java command. The system cannot find the file specified. (0x2)
FATAL | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | "lib\runtime\jre-win\bin\java" -version
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | 
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | --------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | Advice:
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | Usually when the Wrapper fails to start the JVM process, it is
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | because of a problem with the value of the configured Java command.
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | Currently:
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | wrapper.java.command=lib\runtime\jre-win\bin\java
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | Please make sure that the PATH or any other referenced environment
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | variables are correctly defined for the current environment.
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | --------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | 
FATAL | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:25 | Failed to resolve the version of Java.
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:26 | <-- Wrapper Stopped
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:44 | --> Wrapper Started as Service
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:44 | Java Service Wrapper Standard Edition 64-bit 3.5.42
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:44 | Copyright (C) 1999-2020 Tanuki Software, Ltd. All Rights Reserved.
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:44 | http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.com
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:44 | Licensed to Inductive Automation for Inductive Automation
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:44 | 
FATAL | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | Unable to execute Java command. The system cannot find the file specified. (0x2)
FATAL | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | "lib\runtime\jre-win\bin\java" -version
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | 
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | --------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | Advice:
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | Usually when the Wrapper fails to start the JVM process, it is
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | because of a problem with the value of the configured Java command.
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | Currently:
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | wrapper.java.command=lib\runtime\jre-win\bin\java
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | Please make sure that the PATH or any other referenced environment
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | variables are correctly defined for the current environment.
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | --------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVICE | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | 
FATAL | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | Failed to resolve the version of Java.
STATUS | wrapper | 2020/09/15 09:27:45 | <-- Wrapper Stopped

```

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**Author:** ![Kevin.Herron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kevin.herron/32/7259_2.png) [@Kevin.Herron](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Kevin.Herron)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 4:43pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/6 "2020-09-15T16:43:20Z")

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Is there still a jre-win.zip file in that runtime dir?

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**Author:** ![dgillis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/dgillis/32/4084_2.png) [@dgillis](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/dgillis)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 4:44pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/7 "2020-09-15T16:44:09Z")

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@Kevin.Herron yes there is.

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**Author:** ![Kevin.Herron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kevin.herron/32/7259_2.png) [@Kevin.Herron](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Kevin.Herron)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 4:44pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/8 "2020-09-15T16:44:51Z")

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Hmm. Well try unzipping it into a folder called `jre-win`. I thought it should happen automatically when the gateway starts up though…

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**Author:** ![franklepkowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/franklepkowski/32/4808_2.png) [@franklepkowski](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/franklepkowski)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/9 "2020-09-15T17:04:36Z")

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What sort of memory are you allocating to the gateway? Is there sufficient RAM the accommodate this amount and support the OS properly?

Frank

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**Author:** ![leonard.smit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cab0a1/32.png) [@leonard.smit](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/leonard.smit)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 5:20am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/10 "2020-11-03T05:20:13Z")

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I had the exact issue happening when trying to recover from a power failure on the plant. After we restored power and got the systems up and running again, we encountered the exact same issue in the wrapper logs when trying the start the Gateway.

Any conclusion on why this might be happening?  
Lenny

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**Author:** ![dgillis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/dgillis/32/4084_2.png) [@dgillis](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/dgillis)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 5:33am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/11 "2020-11-03T05:33:24Z")

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I actually ended up reinstalling and restoring due to time constraints. Unfortunate. I would have liked to figure out the reason for this.

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**Author:** ![robert.zapalski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f17d59/32.png) [@robert.zapalski](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/robert.zapalski)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/12 "2021-03-25T17:18:21Z")

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seeing this issue today after we blue screened the desktop hosting our Edge Gateway. Any resolutions?

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**Author:** ![Kevin.Herron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kevin.herron/32/7259_2.png) [@Kevin.Herron](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Kevin.Herron)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/13 "2021-03-25T17:22:20Z")

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Same as mentioned here or in this thread: [Gate way doesn't start after upgrade from 8.0.16 to 8.1](http://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gate-way-doesnt-start-after-upgrade-from-8-0-16-to-8-1/39546/4)

Delete some files and start it up again. We’re not sure why hard shutdowns are corrupting this file so easily.

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**Author:** ![nskoog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ebca7d/32.png) [@nskoog](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nskoog)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2021, 1:52pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/14 "2021-06-01T13:52:02Z")

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We experienced the same issue after a power loss. We are on version 8.1.2, has there been any fix to this in newer releases or is this still an open issue? I was unable to find anything regarding this issue in the release notes.

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**Author:** ![Kevin.Herron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kevin.herron/32/7259_2.png) [@Kevin.Herron](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Kevin.Herron)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/15 "2021-06-01T14:35:12Z")

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A potential fix went into 8.1.6.

It's under this release note:

> Improved gateway supplemental import mechanism and added additional logging to show certificates which are imported into the gateway's default trust store.

I don't think we called out the problem explicitly because we're still not able to reliably reproduce or verify the exact problem is fixed, but there were some changes made that hopefully fix the issue.

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**Author:** ![nskoog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ebca7d/32.png) [@nskoog](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nskoog)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2021, 2:56pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/gateway-hanging-at-starting-after-startup/38698/16 "2021-06-01T14:56:57Z")

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Thanks for the response!