# Groups do not show live values

**URL:** <https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/groups-do-not-show-live-values/1505>\
**Category:** Ignition\
**Created:** [February 6, 2010, 11:44pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/groups-do-not-show-live-values/1505 "2010-02-06T23:44:50Z")\
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**Author:** ![david\_mccutchen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/919ad9/32.png) [@david\_mccutchen](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/david_mccutchen)\
**Post date:** [February 6, 2010, 11:44pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/groups-do-not-show-live-values/1505/1 "2010-02-06T23:44:50Z")

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Transactional groups do not show the live values of opc tags like FSQL when groups are stopped. The only time values show are when the group is running.

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**Author:** ![Colby.Clegg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/colby.clegg/32/3282_2.png) [@Colby.Clegg](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Colby.Clegg)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 5:31pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/groups-do-not-show-live-values/1505/2 "2010-02-07T17:31:19Z")

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Yes, this is on purpose. This is due to the very different way that groups are managed between FSQL and Ignition. We settled for this for the release, but know it’s something that will be missed and should be re-introduced soon.

Regards,