# Hidden Transaction Groups

**URL:** <https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/hidden-transaction-groups/10252>\
**Category:** Ignition\
**Created:** [July 21, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/hidden-transaction-groups/10252 "2015-07-21T19:06:34Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 7\
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**Author:** ![Micky.Franks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@Micky.Franks](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Micky.Franks)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/hidden-transaction-groups/10252/1 "2015-07-21T19:06:34Z")

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I have 3 transaction groups that are some how hidden and running and I am unable to delete them. I can export/import them but they still don’t show up. Attached is the exported transaction groups. Is this an Ignition issue or ID10T error?  
[TG.proj](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/2X/e/ed18d0838662891ea64da9af83668ece157c8189.proj) (11.6 KB)

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**Author:** ![JordanCClark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/jordancclark/32/83362_2.png) [@JordanCClark](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/JordanCClark)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/hidden-transaction-groups/10252/2 "2015-07-21T19:59:46Z")

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Wow! Even importing them, they’re invisible! That’s cool! Annoying, but cool! 😆

This is on my list of long shots, but it seemed to work on my test bench.  
Also, this may be a bit on the dangerous side. No warranty is expressed or implied. You’ve been warned… 😛

If you take a look at the file you posted, each transaction group has a line that looks something like this:

```auto
	<resource id='176' name='Stop' module='fsql' modver='' type='group' ver='0' dirty='true' editcount='2388' parent='a5b11ec0-dc9c-4a8e-8117-46edb4ef089b' oemlocked='false' scope='1' protected='false'>
```

The parent parameter (speculation here) is what folder a transaction group belongs in.  
Try setting the parameter on each to an empty string (parent=’’) then re-import, overwriting the originals.

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**Author:** ![Micky.Franks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@Micky.Franks](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Micky.Franks)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/hidden-transaction-groups/10252/3 "2015-07-21T20:35:36Z")

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Yeah, the other annoying thing is one of those is logging to SQL every minute.

I tried importing and deleting out of a test project and it works, but can’t do the same in the original project that created them.

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**Author:** ![JordanCClark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/jordancclark/32/83362_2.png) [@JordanCClark](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/JordanCClark)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:50pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/hidden-transaction-groups/10252/4 "2015-07-21T20:50:46Z")

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It’s why I called it a long shot. ![:scratch:](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/1X/76d1620bec252bfac07050c889ff5a91dc8a9c25.gif ":scratch:")

Option B might be to:  
–Export the complete project  
–Remove those three groups out of the xml  
–Import into another project.  
–Delete original project.

Kinda messy, IMO, but it would likely work.

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**Author:** ![Micky.Franks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@Micky.Franks](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Micky.Franks)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 9:10pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/hidden-transaction-groups/10252/5 "2015-07-21T21:10:22Z")

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I tried exporting the Transaction Groups to XML but they don’t show up in the XML file. Option B is gonna be real messy.

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**Author:** ![Kyle\_Chase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de0a6/32.png) [@Kyle\_Chase](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Kyle_Chase)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/hidden-transaction-groups/10252/6 "2015-07-21T22:05:31Z")

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Do the transaction groups show up in the project resources table in the internal tables? You could delete there then restart the server.

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**Author:** ![Micky.Franks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@Micky.Franks](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Micky.Franks)\
**Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 1:30am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/hidden-transaction-groups/10252/7 "2015-07-22T01:30:20Z")

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That did it Kyle. Thanks for the help.