# Ignition 8.1.17 Tag Metadata group in MQTT tags **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition\ **Created:** [May 23, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-8-1-17-tag-metadata-group-in-mqtt-tags/59916 "2022-05-23T16:47:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bwirth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@bwirth](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/bwirth)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-8-1-17-tag-metadata-group-in-mqtt-tags/59916/1 "2022-05-23T16:47:38Z")
Seems the metadata does not work in 8.1.17 in MQTT Engine tag creation. I’m fairly certain that I have some tags being input with the tooltip property that are no longer working. Just checking if this is a known thing as our developer for the sending side of this transaction is not currently available for further testing. ---
**Author:** ![kcollins](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kcollins/32/19646_2.png) [@kcollins](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/kcollins)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-8-1-17-tag-metadata-group-in-mqtt-tags/59916/2 "2022-05-23T19:25:29Z")
So I took a look at the _Filtered properties_ lists within both MQTT Engine and MQTT Transmission. Neither default list is filtering out `Tooltip` property. In my test bench here, inspecting the actual SparkplugB payloads (specifically the DBIRTH message where that metadata is communicated) reveals that tooltip property values are there. Looking at _Tag Browser_, however, doesn’t seem to show the `Tooltip` property. However, it does seem to be there, as I was able to successfully bind to it (on the Engine side) and see the value update when doing a modify+rebirth from the publishing side. I’ll make a note to take a look to see if the visibility of these properties in _Tag Browser_ is something that changed recently. Are you able to explicitly bind to the `.Tooltip` property (even if you can’t browse to it) and get a value? ---
**Author:** ![bwirth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@bwirth](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/bwirth)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-8-1-17-tag-metadata-group-in-mqtt-tags/59916/3 "2022-05-23T19:38:48Z")
Thanks, Yes, I can bind to the value and it is there, just not showing in the tag browser. -Bill ---
**Author:** ![framebuilder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/96bed5/32.png) [@framebuilder](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/framebuilder)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 3:39am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-8-1-17-tag-metadata-group-in-mqtt-tags/59916/4 "2022-06-29T03:39:12Z")
Are there any updates on this? I’m seeing some behavior in 8.1.17 with MQTT Transmission 4.0.11 that seems odd to me. For instance, to get tag properties (metadata) sent I need to click Transmission Control-\>Refresh two times after setting a tag property value. MQTT.fx doesn’t show the property (and its value) in DBIRTH until the second Refresh for some reason. Also, it appears that after you set a tag property to any value and click Refresh twice, that tag property will always appear in all subsequent DBIRTHs…even if it is null. ---
**Author:** ![bwirth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@bwirth](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/bwirth)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-8-1-17-tag-metadata-group-in-mqtt-tags/59916/5 "2022-07-01T18:54:06Z")
I’m not having any issues with data where I have to refresh a couple times. Of course, maybe I could see the data if I did. The tooltip is getting to Ignition, as I can reference it in a binding, it just does not show in the designer tag browser.