# Ignition on PanelView **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition\ **Created:** [October 28, 2021, 3:21pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463 "2021-10-28T15:21:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/tim/32/3361_2.png) [@Tim](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Tim)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 3:21pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/1 "2021-10-28T15:21:18Z")
The new (Allen Bradley HMI) PanelView Plus 7 Performance series B are changing from Windows CE to Windows 10 IoT OS. Has anyone yet tried running Ignition on these units? How did it go? ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/2 "2021-10-28T18:45:21Z")
If it runs win 10 iot then you shouldn't have any problems running ignition, Vision or Perspective ---
**Author:** ![Tim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/tim/32/3361_2.png) [@Tim](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Tim)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/3 "2021-10-28T18:51:32Z")
> [@nminchin](#): > > The only way to do this is if you get it up and running and then send a photo of Ignition running on the PVP and send it to Rockwell I do wish the web browser integrated in FT View SE would run Perspective ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/4 "2021-10-28T18:53:18Z")
That would almost be like DOS supporting running Perspective 😄 you can’t expect RA to keep up with modern tech in their scada software, that would be absurd ---
**Author:** ![Tim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/tim/32/3361_2.png) [@Tim](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Tim)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/5 "2021-10-28T18:57:07Z")
> [@nminchin](#): > > That would almost be like DOS supporting running Perspective 😄 you can’t expect RA to keep up with modern tech in their scada software In the last year they introduced their first native component allowing the display of tabular data. Sooner or later I expect there will be some tools for interacting with this data. ---
**Author:** ![jlandwerlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@jlandwerlen](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jlandwerlen)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 8:02pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/7 "2021-10-28T20:02:25Z")
Sorry, gotta ask, why would someone want to do this? Not sure which is worse, FTME software, or the PV+ hardware. I’m torn which one to vote as the winner/loser. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/tim/32/3361_2.png) [@Tim](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Tim)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/8 "2021-10-28T20:28:12Z")
I always thought the PanelView hardware was pretty good. It’s very durable, I often come across PVs that are decades old still kicking. One reason as to why would be to repurpose existing hardware to salvage it 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jlandwerlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@jlandwerlen](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jlandwerlen)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/9 "2021-10-28T20:49:18Z")
> [@Tim](#): > > One reason as to why would be to repurpose existing hardware to salvage it 😉 Not a bad reason, assuming it runs Ignition well. But, even with a retrofit, it's still better to replace hardware. The resolution is terrible, unless you get the newer ones, and they are crazy expensive. You could buy several FPMs or Touch PCs for the price of one PV+. ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 10:21pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/10 "2021-10-28T22:21:42Z")
We usually go with Beckhoff panel PCs these days. Super sturdy units and have really decent hardware specs for a reasonable price (not cheap, but reasonable). Still, most HMIs are generally capped at 1366x768 for widescreen ~15-19" unless you start paying more for 21" screens to get 1920. But then you need to have bigger panels as well to suit... I would agree though that the AB PVP hardware is pretty good and reliable. ---
**Author:** ![jlandwerlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@jlandwerlen](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jlandwerlen)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/11 "2021-10-28T22:44:40Z")
> [@nminchin](#): > > Still, most HMIs are generally capped at 1366x768 for widescreen ~15-19" unless you start paying more for 21" screens to get 1920. We've been using Advantech 15.6", which is widescreen, they offer 1920x1080. > **[PPC-3151W](https://www.advantech.com/en/products/1-2jkjm3/ppc-3151w/mod_0770b23d-0326-4ad4-831d-b1f2a8f2eac2)** > > 15.6" Fanless Widescreen Panel PC with Intel® Core™ i5-7300U Processor ---
**Author:** ![josborn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/4bbf92/32.png) [@josborn](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/josborn)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 10:51pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/12 "2021-10-28T22:51:53Z")
> [@nminchin](#): > > LOL, although I wouldn’t hold your breath. Of all the 8-9 SCADA platforms I’ve used, FactoryTrash has to be the worst 😕 glad I haven’t had to use it in years Worse than Wonderware Intouch? ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 10:59pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/13 "2021-10-28T22:59:27Z")
Never used "Wondertouch" before so I can't comment > [@jlandwerlen](#): > > Advantech 15.6", We moved away from Advantech as their hardware specs (CPU) were inferior to Beckhoff's. The Beckhoff's tend to use higher generation CPUs. The build quality of the Beckhoffs is also better than the Advantechs at a similar price point ---
**Author:** ![jlandwerlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@jlandwerlen](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jlandwerlen)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/14 "2021-10-28T23:33:00Z")
> [@nminchin](#): > > > [@jlandwerlen](#): > > > > Advantech 15.6", > > We moved away from Advantech as their hardware specs (CPU) were inferior to Beckhoff's. The Beckhoff's tend to use higher generation CPUs. The build quality of the Beckhoffs is also better than the Advantechs at a similar price point Won't debate that, the resolution is our priority. But, we have had good results with Advantech. I'll look at Beckoff, but have a hunch I'll be disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![jlandwerlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@jlandwerlen](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jlandwerlen)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/15 "2021-10-28T23:54:19Z")
> [@josborn](#): > > Worse than Wonderware Intouch? A million times worse ---
**Author:** ![josborn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/4bbf92/32.png) [@josborn](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/josborn)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 11:58pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/16 "2021-10-28T23:58:22Z")
That’s impressive, the support for wonderware is reason enough not to use it. I have some RSView 32 projects that are miles better than wonderware, but havent experienced factory trash. ---
**Author:** ![jlandwerlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@jlandwerlen](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jlandwerlen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/17 "2021-10-29T00:13:02Z")
I liked RSView32. It had it’s issues, but it wasn’t that bad. FTME is the worst. FTSE is better, but compared to Ignition is just bottom of the barrel. ---
**Author:** ![andrews](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@andrews](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/andrews)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 2:59am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/19 "2021-10-29T02:59:07Z")
Anyone use PlantPAx from Allen Bradley? ---
**Author:** ![jlandwerlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@jlandwerlen](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jlandwerlen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 1:15pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/21 "2021-10-29T13:15:30Z")
> [@andrews](#): > > Anyone use PlantPAx from Allen Bradley? Kind of, we took some of the AOIs and stripped them down and/or changed to our liking. As @nminchin stated, as is they are way too bloated. ---
**Author:** ![b.peck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@b.peck](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/b.peck)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 10:56pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/22 "2021-11-03T22:56:31Z")
Out of curiosity, are you just running a perspective client on your Beckhoff PC or are you running an XAR on it too? ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 10:57pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463/23 "2021-11-03T22:57:57Z")
Not running an XAR, just a Vision or Perspective client (or Vision running a Perspective session inside of a Vision Web Browser) [Next page](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-on-panelview/52463.md?page=2)