# Ignition redundancy license as a standalone **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** ignition81\ **Created:** [April 11, 2025, 6:36am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-redundancy-license-as-a-standalone/104984 "2025-04-11T06:36:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jennifer.ang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f9ae1b/32.png) [@jennifer.ang](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jennifer.ang)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 6:36am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-redundancy-license-as-a-standalone/104984/1 "2025-04-11T06:36:25Z")
Hi, is it possible to use an Ignition redundancy license as a standalone, without connecting it to a primary license? I'm planning to purchase two Ignition licenses—quoted as primary and redundancy—but I want to use them separately as standalone systems. Is it possible? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![michael.flagler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/michael.flagler/32/26272_2.png) [@michael.flagler](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/michael.flagler)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 11:33am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-redundancy-license-as-a-standalone/104984/2 "2025-04-11T11:33:30Z")
I don't believe so. I believe the redundancy one must be the backup server of a redundant pair which means you can't connect to it with designer to make changes. ---
**Author:** ![Kevin.Herron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kevin.herron/32/7259_2.png) [@Kevin.Herron](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Kevin.Herron)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 11:36am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-redundancy-license-as-a-standalone/104984/3 "2025-04-11T11:36:05Z")
No, the backup license contains a detail indicating its for a backup, and the Gateway its applied to will always assume the role of Backup. Buying redundancy isn't a cheeky way to get a 50% discount on a second standalone Gateway. ---
**Author:** ![dillon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/dillon/32/81537_2.png) [@dillon](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/dillon)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 12:04pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-redundancy-license-as-a-standalone/104984/4 "2025-04-11T12:04:49Z")
No BOGO deals? 😆 ---
**Author:** ![michael.flagler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/michael.flagler/32/26272_2.png) [@michael.flagler](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/michael.flagler)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 10:50pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-redundancy-license-as-a-standalone/104984/5 "2025-04-12T22:50:37Z")
On a somewhat related side note, I thought there was some way though to convert a backup gateway to master if the master gateway became permanently unavailable and you needed to make changes. Or am I dreaming? ---
**Author:** ![Kevin.Herron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kevin.herron/32/7259_2.png) [@Kevin.Herron](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Kevin.Herron)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 12:25am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-redundancy-license-as-a-standalone/104984/6 "2025-04-13T00:25:17Z")
Hmm, you'd have to switch it to independent, at which point I'd expect it to end up unlicensed. Not sure though. ---
**Author:** ![michael.flagler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/michael.flagler/32/26272_2.png) [@michael.flagler](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/michael.flagler)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 1:22am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-redundancy-license-as-a-standalone/104984/7 "2025-04-13T01:22:23Z")
Yeah, may just be a matter of that and swapping the license key out and once the other is ready, just putting the backup key on it. ---
**Author:** ![pturmel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/pturmel/32/3295_2.png) [@pturmel](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pturmel)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 3:22am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-redundancy-license-as-a-standalone/104984/8 "2025-04-13T03:22:20Z")
Yes, you have to unactivate the backup license, as it prevents conversion to independent. ---
**Author:** ![jennifer.ang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f9ae1b/32.png) [@jennifer.ang](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jennifer.ang)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2025, 6:22am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ignition-redundancy-license-as-a-standalone/104984/9 "2025-04-17T06:22:53Z")
Thanks for all the reply. Currently, still figuring out the architecture.