# Impact of upgrading Designer from 8.1.27 to 8.1.30 **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition\ **Tags:** ignition81, perspective\ **Created:** [July 17, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/impact-of-upgrading-designer-from-8-1-27-to-8-1-30/76467 "2023-07-17T16:38:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ian.sebryk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/ian.sebryk/32/49319_2.png) [@ian.sebryk](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/ian.sebryk)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/impact-of-upgrading-designer-from-8-1-27-to-8-1-30/76467/1 "2023-07-17T16:38:43Z")
for some reason everyone here is stunlocked when i mentioned upgrading to the 8.1.30 to fix some of the display issues we're having. i'm presuming a simple dot.dot update should have virtually no impact on the Ignition Gateway dynamics or any downstream impact that would cause such a reaction. is there something i don't know about?? PTSD from a 7 to 8 migration? ---
**Author:** ![Kevin.Herron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kevin.herron/32/7259_2.png) [@Kevin.Herron](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Kevin.Herron)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/impact-of-upgrading-designer-from-8-1-27-to-8-1-30/76467/2 "2023-07-17T16:48:25Z")
Where's "here"? At your company? Point releases are generally safe, but I'm not sure what logic leads you to assume they _couldn't_ affect the Gateway as well. The Gateway and Designer are all packaged together as one software release. You can't upgrade any piece on its own. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_Carlton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/tim_carlton/32/52835_2.png) [@Tim\_Carlton](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Tim_Carlton)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/impact-of-upgrading-designer-from-8-1-27-to-8-1-30/76467/3 "2023-07-17T16:56:31Z")
The _ **Move fast and break things** _ mantra was alien to corporate IT and dangerous to an IT manager's career in a business that wasn't about inventing IT. It is dangerous to more than that for OT and control systems. That presumes you aren't in a regulated environment - something like GMP might introduce additional requirements for any change. The official strategy in many places was to **Make it work, make it stable, and then leave it alone.** The slammer virus changed that for places that were hit, but change control and upgrades are still a big deal. CI/CD may be presumed for many environments but the infrastructure, practices, and mindset are not there for OT. Security patches and tech refresh to remedy EOL are usually easier to sell than cosmetic or ease of use. ---
**Author:** ![ian.sebryk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/ian.sebryk/32/49319_2.png) [@ian.sebryk](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/ian.sebryk)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/impact-of-upgrading-designer-from-8-1-27-to-8-1-30/76467/4 "2023-07-17T16:56:39Z")
i see. i thought they were a package of collected tools. when i launch the `About Ignition Designer` menu item, it pops up a window with several modules, all running differing version numbers. this led me to believe Designer was just part of an ecosystem, not a piece of the entire thing. question still stands, though, what's the impact? ---
**Author:** ![Kevin.Herron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kevin.herron/32/7259_2.png) [@Kevin.Herron](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Kevin.Herron)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/impact-of-upgrading-designer-from-8-1-27-to-8-1-30/76467/5 "2023-07-17T16:58:56Z")
Yeah, there's a bit of a modular architecture going on, but the Gateway and Designer are pretty tightly coupled. The "impact" is everything you see in the change logs for the intermediate versions plus some amount of regression risk. ---
**Author:** ![Transistor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/transistor/32/3380_2.png) [@Transistor](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Transistor)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 6:06am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/impact-of-upgrading-designer-from-8-1-27-to-8-1-30/76467/6 "2023-07-18T06:06:07Z")
> [@ian.sebryk](#): > > i'm presuming a simple dot.dot update should have virtually no impact on the Ignition Gateway dynamics ... See where a recent upgrade broke stuff. It was low criticality and was fixed quickly but is a reminder that something could go wrong and provide wrong data to the end-user. > [@\[BUG-7995\] 8.1.29 Horizontal Menu](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-7995-8-1-29-horizontal-menu/76085): > > Why did my menu's change in 8.1.29? How do I get them back to the way they were? New Menu: Old Menu: ---
**Author:** ![ian.sebryk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/ian.sebryk/32/49319_2.png) [@ian.sebryk](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/ian.sebryk)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 1:28pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/impact-of-upgrading-designer-from-8-1-27-to-8-1-30/76467/7 "2023-07-18T13:28:05Z")
exactly. i'll hunt around for a bug list for the .30. it sounds like there are more 'gotchas' than i thought, since nobody has yet to say 'go for it!' or 'impact is minimal, see this...'. ---
**Author:** ![pturmel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/pturmel/32/3295_2.png) [@pturmel](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pturmel)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 1:30pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/impact-of-upgrading-designer-from-8-1-27-to-8-1-30/76467/8 "2023-07-18T13:30:46Z")
> [@ian.sebryk](#): > > nobody has yet to say 'go for it!' Too soon. A week after release is my threshold for development purposes. At least a couple weeks for production purposes. (Which is way faster than I adopt almost any other major piece of software.) ---
**Author:** ![bwirth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@bwirth](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/bwirth)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 1:34pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/impact-of-upgrading-designer-from-8-1-27-to-8-1-30/76467/9 "2023-07-18T13:34:47Z")
And even then, I'll only upgrade after some good testing on a development environment (which is where I ran into the menu issue). ---
**Author:** ![ian.sebryk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/ian.sebryk/32/49319_2.png) [@ian.sebryk](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/ian.sebryk)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/impact-of-upgrading-designer-from-8-1-27-to-8-1-30/76467/10 "2023-07-18T13:39:24Z")
goes without saying. i've been on the 'please com fix this' end of things way too often. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![eric.peery](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/eric.peery/32/11897_2.png) [@eric.peery](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/eric.peery)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2023, 12:49pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/impact-of-upgrading-designer-from-8-1-27-to-8-1-30/76467/11 "2023-07-21T12:49:31Z")
There have been a couple of exceptions when we wanted newly released features, but our standard practice is to do quarterly updates to a "current release - 1" level on our production system. Overall there haven't been too many problems, but we always do system retests between the updates and the next production shift. "Low Risk" is very different than "No Risk". ---
**Author:** ![ian.sebryk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/ian.sebryk/32/49319_2.png) [@ian.sebryk](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/ian.sebryk)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2023, 7:46pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/impact-of-upgrading-designer-from-8-1-27-to-8-1-30/76467/12 "2023-07-24T19:46:50Z")
good practice. sometimes a few months will highlight something is a weird use-case scenario you'd have never thought of until the day after a wild nigh of karaoke, ginger beer, and pop tarts. 😃