# Labels in Designer readable but really small in Vision **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition\ **Tags:** vision, ignition81\ **Created:** [March 4, 2025, 6:57pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230 "2025-03-04T18:57:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Leor\_Fishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Leor\_Fishman](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Leor_Fishman)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 6:57pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230/1 "2025-03-04T18:57:07Z")
Title: Here's what my designer has: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/5/f/5fc29931f3492285e44e8cee98414b16368b1361.png) And here's what's in vision: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/c/5/c580ff85c17aa3e246813fde024948f8e44e74e9.png) What's going on with this mismatch in sizes? ---
**Author:** ![jrusso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c0e974/32.png) [@jrusso](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jrusso)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230/2 "2025-03-04T19:04:02Z")
Right click on your labels in the designer and select "Layout". This will show you the Scaling / Aspect ratio settings. Its important to keep these settings consistent across your project. I typically disable the "Scale Font" setting which will keep the font size the same as what you configured in the appearance settings, regardless of the screen resolution ---
**Author:** ![Leor\_Fishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Leor\_Fishman](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Leor_Fishman)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 7:12pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230/3 "2025-03-04T19:12:12Z")
Great -- is that stored in project properties? I'd want it to be inheritable/global for every label I make ---
**Author:** ![pturmel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/pturmel/32/3295_2.png) [@pturmel](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pturmel)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 7:14pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230/4 "2025-03-04T19:14:26Z")
Layout is an independent attribute of every component and nested container. It is not inheritable, but the project props allow you to set a default. ---
**Author:** ![Leor\_Fishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Leor\_Fishman](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Leor_Fishman)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230/5 "2025-03-04T19:24:42Z")
Ah, thanks, makes sense. Perhaps the answer to this question is 'here be dragons, don't worry about it' but I'm looking at the XML for the exported project and I'm not seeing any sort of 'scale font' boolean. Is that data represented in some arcane way in the layout constraints property and recalculated internally? ---
**Author:** ![pturmel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/pturmel/32/3295_2.png) [@pturmel](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pturmel)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 7:33pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230/6 "2025-03-04T19:33:53Z")
> [@Leor\_Fishman](#): > > arcane way in the layout constraints property IIRC, yes. ---
**Author:** ![lrose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/lrose/32/62724_2.png) [@lrose](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/lrose)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 7:34pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230/7 "2025-03-04T19:34:20Z")
> [@Leor\_Fishman](#): > > 'here be dragons, don't worry about it' I do all of my vision designing using Anchored layout, allowing things that I want to expand to expand the way I want them to. This allows me better control over the overall layout of the windows. I have always found Relative layout to be hard to manage and unpredictable at best. ---
**Author:** ![Leor\_Fishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Leor\_Fishman](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Leor_Fishman)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 7:59pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230/8 "2025-03-04T19:59:41Z")
Any chance of this changing in 8.3? ---
**Author:** ![paul-griffith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/paul-griffith/32/37249_2.png) [@paul-griffith](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/paul-griffith)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 8:02pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230/9 "2025-03-04T20:02:32Z")
Phil's not an Inductive employee and will have no internal knowledge, but I'll answer on his behalf: No. ---
**Author:** ![paul-griffith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/paul-griffith/32/37249_2.png) [@paul-griffith](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/paul-griffith)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 8:25pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230/10 "2025-03-04T20:25:41Z")
If you're interested in access to these things via scripting, as you continue to not be dissuaded from your goal of programmatic modification of Vision windows ๐Ÿ˜„, take a look at [`FPMILayout`](https://files.inductiveautomation.com/sdk/javadoc/ignition81/8.1.47/com/inductiveautomation/factorypmi/application/components/util/FPMILayout.html#getLayoutConstraints(javax.swing.JComponent)) and [`FPMI_LC`](https://files.inductiveautomation.com/sdk/javadoc/ignition81/8.1.47/com/inductiveautomation/factorypmi/application/components/util/FPMI_LC.html). ---
**Author:** ![pturmel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/pturmel/32/3295_2.png) [@pturmel](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pturmel)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 8:48pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230/11 "2025-03-04T20:48:54Z")
> [@paul-griffith](#): > > not be dissuaded Hmmm. I may resemble that remark.... ๐Ÿ˜‡ > [@paul-griffith](#): > > take a look at ... I did that once. / _shudder_ / ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 11:43pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230/12 "2025-03-04T23:43:57Z")
> [@lrose](#): > > I do all of my vision designing using Anchored layout, Anchored doesn't work for P&ID pages though, unless my 6+ years away from Vision have failed me? Unless you don't want your P&ID layouts to scale ---
**Author:** ![lrose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/lrose/32/62724_2.png) [@lrose](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/lrose)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 11:24am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/labels-in-designer-readable-but-really-small-in-vision/103230/13 "2025-03-05T11:24:07Z")
> [@nminchin](#): > > Unless you don't want your P&ID layouts to scale I donโ€™t, but I also have the pleasure of being the person who specs the systems, and so they all use the same resolution and system scaling. The only thing Iโ€™ve yet to be able to convince people of is not using Windows OS.