# Performance drastically degrade from 8.1.1 to 8.1.2/3 in the desinger view **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition Early Access\ **Created:** [March 4, 2021, 6:14am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078 "2021-03-04T06:14:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nader.chinichian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nader.chinichian/32/9261_2.png) [@nader.chinichian](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nader.chinichian)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 6:14am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/1 "2021-03-04T06:14:23Z")
Hi, When I upgrade my project from 8.1.1 to 8.1.2/3, unfortunately, the performance in the design is degraded drastically. This mostly happens when opening a view in the designer with the embedded views. It seems everything is frozen. The runtime in the browser doesn’t impact a lot. For example the loading time from 3 to 5 sec in 8.1.1 change to 1min in 8.1.2. This is 8.1.1: ![8.1.1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/7/4/74759e4f63b6ef450d91fe6d8974fc15a45aacfb.gif) This is 8.1.3 and took so long (3min) so I cut the recording: ![8.1.3](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/2/0/209357a1c242e9dbcc945f77c99d4e46f9487fae.gif) ---
**Author:** ![nader.chinichian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nader.chinichian/32/9261_2.png) [@nader.chinichian](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nader.chinichian)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 6:34am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/2 "2021-03-04T06:34:52Z")
I try to delete all embedded views, and the page working normally. It definitely for embedded view which cause every thing freeze for long long time. I tested it with so many different pages. For example the view which loaded in 5 sec now load 2min!!! ---
**Author:** ![Kevin.Herron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kevin.herron/32/7259_2.png) [@Kevin.Herron](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Kevin.Herron)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/3 "2021-03-04T16:59:52Z")
Hi, no answers for you yet, but there are multiple eyeballs on this now internally… ---
**Author:** ![tamerplc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d78d45/32.png) [@tamerplc](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/tamerplc)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 6:10pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/4 "2021-03-04T18:10:44Z")
I faced the same issue and I changed the UI InDesign without using embedded view and the designer works fine ---
**Author:** ![Carl.Gould](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/carl.gould/32/7262_2.png) [@Carl.Gould](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Carl.Gould)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 6:10pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/5 "2021-03-04T18:10:54Z")
We’ve identified the cause of this slowdown, and it is fixed by an upcoming change to the way quality overlays are rendered. We’ll update this thread when it drops into the 8.1.4 nightly. ---
**Author:** ![dustin.cooper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/dustin.cooper/32/29963_2.png) [@dustin.cooper](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/dustin.cooper)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 4:53pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/6 "2021-03-12T16:53:01Z")
Following the nightly updates ---
**Author:** ![AnthonyF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aca169/32.png) [@AnthonyF](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/AnthonyF)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 11:55pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/7 "2021-03-30T23:55:17Z")
I’ve been running 8.1.4 RC1 for a week now and noticed that the performance in Designer has improved, but there are still slowdowns occurring when working with multiple embedded views. I have an embedded view with 8 labels and 2 text inputs, with it used 10 times on a view, any changes I make can still result in a slowdown for 30s+. At least the views that were completely un-editable are reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![nader.chinichian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nader.chinichian/32/9261_2.png) [@nader.chinichian](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nader.chinichian)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/8 "2021-03-31T01:04:06Z")
For me it is much better than 8.0.3 but still as you mentioned the performance is not good as before. The type of binding and number or binding in embedded view send important here. It seems we will have 8.1.4rc2 ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/9 "2021-04-02T22:46:49Z")
Embedded view performance will increase significantly\* in 8.1.5. \*so I’m told I’ll be able to confirm hopefully within the week when I get a test build ---
**Author:** ![nader.chinichian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nader.chinichian/32/9261_2.png) [@nader.chinichian](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nader.chinichian)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 6:10pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/10 "2021-04-07T18:10:34Z")
Did you test the new 8.1.5 release for embedded view performance? ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 8:50pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/11 "2021-04-07T20:50:53Z")
We’re testing this for a smaller part of the project this morning in 2hrs, and testing the juicier project on Monday (4 days) hopefully. Although I may use the smaller project to test some of our more complex screens in the bigger project this morning as well ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 12:25am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/12 "2021-04-08T00:25:59Z")
Not good news for us i'm afraid ☹ > [@\[Feedback\] Perspective view load-ahead optimization](http://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/feedback-perspective-view-load-ahead-optimization/45309/7): > > Hi Carl, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but i’ve just tested this and it’s actually made our load times worse and increased them by more than 2x. I took 2 GIF screencaptures at 30fps (nominal, the app [[https://www.screentogif.com/](https://www.screentogif.com/)] I use I believe does some smarts to work out if frames have changed or not to discard duplicates) when loading the same screen with the load-ahead enabled and disabled. I cut these animations down to only the frames where the page was loading from start to end, … ---
**Author:** ![nader.chinichian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nader.chinichian/32/9261_2.png) [@nader.chinichian](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nader.chinichian)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 2:56am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/13 "2021-04-08T02:56:32Z")
I guess so. ---
**Author:** ![tmahaffey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/tmahaffey/32/30949_2.png) [@tmahaffey](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/tmahaffey)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/performance-drastically-degrade-from-8-1-1-to-8-1-2-3-in-the-desinger-view/44078/14 "2021-04-08T16:16:11Z")
I’ve been so busy not working in the UI stuff that I’ve now seen this problem as well. It sounds like the 8.1.5 did resolve the performance hits with embedded views? The designer is nearly impossible to work in due to to this. Everything is an embedded view!