# Persisting perspective "persistent" properties/parameters 😆 (parameter INSTANCE vs parameter VALUE persistence)

**URL:** <https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/persisting-perspective-persistent-properties-parameters-parameter-instance-vs-parameter-value-persistence/34809>\
**Category:** Ignition\
**Tags:** perspective\
**Created:** [May 16, 2020, 7:37am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/persisting-perspective-persistent-properties-parameters-parameter-instance-vs-parameter-value-persistence/34809 "2020-05-16T07:37:10Z")\
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**Author:** ![hunterdg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/hunterdg/32/67774_2.png) [@hunterdg](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/hunterdg)\
**Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 7:37am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/persisting-perspective-persistent-properties-parameters-parameter-instance-vs-parameter-value-persistence/34809/1 "2020-05-16T07:37:10Z")

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Please pardon my perspicaciousness 😬😩

Per the pictograph popup, I presume picking the "persistent" preference of perspective properties/parameters provides persistence to the _value_ of properties, not the properties _proper_.

 ![Screen Shot 2020-05-16 at 1.31.45 AM](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/2X/6/6f82d4df12fbd93cc5a96e5ac494b7be60cddc58.png)

> The _value_ of this property will not be saved with the view

However, if I disable the "persistent" option on custom properties/view parameters, then close and re-open the view, the custom properties/view parameters disappear. If I have the custom properties/view parameters _bound_, they _seem_ to have disappeared on the initial (re)loading of the view, but if I click another component in the tree, and then back to the view, the _bound_ custom properties/view parameters reappear. Of course input view parameters can't be bound, so they have _properly_ disappeared.

Saving to the gateway with the missing properties/parameters doesn't seem to cause a problem (like it would if the bindings had been deleted).

If i manually add one of the missing (bound) properties, all the other bound properties reappear.

I must manually re-add all of the missing, unbound properties.

This seems reminiscent of a [very similar early beta problem](http://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/bug-10710-session-custom-properties-dissapearing) (not related to the 'persistent' preference though)

Perhaps the preceding peculiarity presents a problem?

I can upload a video/gif if desired.

8.0.10

EDIT: of course after I post, i find similar threads despite searching beforehand. Perhaps merge this with the [other](http://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/params-disappearing) [threads](http://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/perspective-view-params-disappear)?