# Position properties in Vision - not shown for some objects?

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**Category:** Ignition\
**Tags:** vision\
**Created:** [August 30, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/position-properties-in-vision-not-shown-for-some-objects/95373 "2024-08-30T14:26:54Z")\
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**Author:** ![Tavo\_Diaz-Granados](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9a28c/32.png) [@Tavo\_Diaz-Granados](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Tavo_Diaz-Granados)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/position-properties-in-vision-not-shown-for-some-objects/95373/1 "2024-08-30T14:26:54Z")

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Is it possible to see position properties for template instances on a Vision window? I can see position props for some objects but not others like template instances.

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**Author:** ![justinedwards.jle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/justinedwards.jle/32/37854_2.png) [@justinedwards.jle](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/justinedwards.jle)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/position-properties-in-vision-not-shown-for-some-objects/95373/2 "2024-08-30T14:41:33Z")

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No. Some shape components have relative dimensional properties that are bindable _[...and therefore visible in the property browser]_, but most don't. However, even though the position properties are not bindable, they are still accessible through scripting and manipulatable through [system.gui.transform](https://www.docs.inductiveautomation.com/docs/8.1/appendix/scripting-functions/system-gui/system-gui-transform?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw28W2BhC7ARIsAPerrcJHNlErz38T__DBAKaU8QTI6-p1lFHS1ohUd_JU2YUoI_R5si3fiJ4aAufDEALw_wcB).

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**Author:** ![Tavo\_Diaz-Granados](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9a28c/32.png) [@Tavo\_Diaz-Granados](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Tavo_Diaz-Granados)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/position-properties-in-vision-not-shown-for-some-objects/95373/3 "2024-08-30T15:23:40Z")

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Thanks for the reply! Seems odd that the size and position properties aren't available in the property window.

However, I just figured out that if I right-click on the object and select "Size & Position" I get size and position properties that I can adjust.

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**Author:** ![pturmel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/pturmel/32/3295_2.png) [@pturmel](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pturmel)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 4:08pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/position-properties-in-vision-not-shown-for-some-objects/95373/4 "2024-08-30T16:08:32Z")

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> [@Tavo\_Diaz-Granados](#):
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> Seems odd

That's because the size and position at runtime vary based on the layout for the stack of components. Hiding them in the designer is a reminder that they must be manipulated properly (via the transform operation above) at runtime.

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**Author:** ![justinedwards.jle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/justinedwards.jle/32/37854_2.png) [@justinedwards.jle](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/justinedwards.jle)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/position-properties-in-vision-not-shown-for-some-objects/95373/5 "2024-08-30T21:39:42Z")

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> [@Tavo\_Diaz-Granados](#):
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> right-click on the object and select "Size & Position"

To that end, there is also a keyboard shortcut that will reveal the size and position pop-up: **ctrl + p**