# Question about tag database

**URL:** <https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/question-about-tag-database/51537>\
**Category:** Ignition\
**Created:** [October 1, 2021, 1:20pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/question-about-tag-database/51537 "2021-10-01T13:20:49Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 7\
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**Author:** ![zacharyw.larson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/zacharyw.larson/32/23749_2.png) [@zacharyw.larson](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/zacharyw.larson)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 1:20pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/question-about-tag-database/51537/1 "2021-10-01T13:20:49Z")

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I have a project used by a couple individuals.  
It has all the machine tags delivered to a tag provider.

Now I want to make another project that a lot of engineers can access. However, I don’t want them to mess up, nor access any of the tags that I had setup before.

Is there a way to duplicate that tag provider to a clone without taxing the plcs?  
Or what is a good solution?

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**Author:** ![zacharyw.larson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/zacharyw.larson/32/23749_2.png) [@zacharyw.larson](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/zacharyw.larson)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/question-about-tag-database/51537/2 "2021-10-01T14:40:16Z")

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maybe I can just use security zones to protect my tags

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**Author:** ![jlandwerlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@jlandwerlen](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jlandwerlen)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 3:05pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/question-about-tag-database/51537/3 "2021-10-01T15:05:20Z")

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If you are worried these engineers will break something then they shouldn’t have any access at all. Not sure I would call them engineers either. 🙂

Give them a gateway backup and they can run on their own hardware. What are you afraid they will do?

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**Author:** ![pturmel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/pturmel/32/3295_2.png) [@pturmel](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pturmel)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/question-about-tag-database/51537/4 "2021-10-01T15:12:05Z")

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Run a separate gateway if you can’t trust your designers. Anyone with designer access can break out of any restrictions you try to set.

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**Author:** ![zacharyw.larson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/zacharyw.larson/32/23749_2.png) [@zacharyw.larson](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/zacharyw.larson)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/question-about-tag-database/51537/5 "2021-10-01T15:45:31Z")

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the average person makes 7 mistakes an hour

mistakes are inevitable whoever you are

even the computer has Shockley’s equation that an election will get thrown right?

so I just want to protect against fat fingering and brain farts you know?

everyone wants to do good work and they are all smart people who do good work

I am just curbing the amount of possible impact from miscellaneous errors

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**Author:** ![jlandwerlen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@jlandwerlen](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/jlandwerlen)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 4:01pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/question-about-tag-database/51537/6 "2021-10-01T16:01:43Z")

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Since you fall into the average person category how are you going to protect from yourself?

Do as Phil and I suggested, but that still doesn’t protect from destroying PLC/SQL data. You can’t protect against everything unless you just don’t let them touch stuff.

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**Author:** ![zacharyw.larson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/zacharyw.larson/32/23749_2.png) [@zacharyw.larson](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/zacharyw.larson)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/question-about-tag-database/51537/7 "2021-10-01T16:12:01Z")

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I export my perspective pages and tags before working on them typically.

I have a coworker also doing similar backups. Then the gateway is being backed up too.

There are some projects on there I am boxed out of too.

you are right, can’t protect against everything

thanks for help