# Ruler display not displaying lines, window tearing badly **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition\ **Tags:** ignition81, perspective, scripting\ **Created:** [July 14, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ruler-display-not-displaying-lines-window-tearing-badly/76389 "2023-07-14T14:58:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ian.sebryk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/ian.sebryk/32/49319_2.png) [@ian.sebryk](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/ian.sebryk)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ruler-display-not-displaying-lines-window-tearing-badly/76389/1 "2023-07-14T14:58:49Z")
um... i presume there should be rulers to help us line stuff up in the absence of, you know, a GRID? this is what i'm looking at: ![Screenshot 2023-07-14 085240](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/a/1/a185e20c49b10b5bfc1cea38b61c0da4a9573602.png) ---
**Author:** ![Felipe\_CRM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Felipe\_CRM](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Felipe_CRM)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ruler-display-not-displaying-lines-window-tearing-badly/76389/2 "2023-07-14T15:23:39Z")
Interesting, trying to replicate this I see that the line labels get the weird number of digits at certain zoom levels. If I zoom in or out just a little bit it goes back to normal. Bug? Edit: If I add the lines when it's at the weird zoom level, the labels stay weird regardless of further zooming. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/0/6/06e3b21ebca2bb78c3cbf8234f56888cbb59429d.png) I can't get the rule lines to disappear though. ---
**Author:** ![ian.sebryk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/ian.sebryk/32/49319_2.png) [@ian.sebryk](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/ian.sebryk)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 4:01pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ruler-display-not-displaying-lines-window-tearing-badly/76389/3 "2023-07-14T16:01:41Z")
this must be a bug. i can't get ruler lines to show up for love nor money. and when i zoom back to 100%, it still looks like shredded wheat: ![Screenshot 2023-07-14 095618](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/c/0/c08adc02f678e79f4b677af921958e7f9540a33e.png) more frustrating, i can't remove them so i can see my work. â˜đ and do i NEED measurements accurate to the sub-atomic level?? 😆 look at those digits to the right of the decimal place!! ðŸĪŠ ---
**Author:** ![Transistor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/transistor/32/3380_2.png) [@Transistor](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Transistor)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 5:24pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ruler-display-not-displaying-lines-window-tearing-badly/76389/4 "2023-07-14T17:24:52Z")
1. What version of Ignition are you running? 2. What OS is Designer running on? 3. If it's Windows then what is your display resolution? 100% or 150% (which seems to be the default). Switch to 100%. 4. There's a button on the Designer toolbar to reset zoom to 100%, (2) below. Try that. ![Guides and alignment](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/9/c/9cc16dcdcdf28f365b6e66a5b44d7523655ae364.png) 5. There are guides (1) to which objects will snap as well as various alignment and spacing buttons (3). You can also type the coordinates into the `POSITION` properties. * * * You seem to be still developing your own user management utility. I recommend the [Perspective User Management](https://inductiveautomation.com/exchange/2128/overview) module available free on Ignition Exchange instead. ---
**Author:** ![ian.sebryk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/ian.sebryk/32/49319_2.png) [@ian.sebryk](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/ian.sebryk)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 5:34pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ruler-display-not-displaying-lines-window-tearing-badly/76389/5 "2023-07-14T17:34:38Z")
- Ignition 8.1.27 - Win11 - no scaling (100%) our UM works a little differently as it isn't completely Role based and needs to be far more granular. but i will take a look. right now, i'm just trying to line up components... because the previous builder had ZERO knowledge or understanding of CSS and built everything in nested embedded views of coordinate containers... 😭 eventually, i get to retool everything properly, but these are running systems, so i have to do it a component at a time. s l o w l y . . . ---
**Author:** ![paul-griffith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/paul-griffith/32/37249_2.png) [@paul-griffith](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/paul-griffith)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ruler-display-not-displaying-lines-window-tearing-badly/76389/6 "2023-07-14T17:41:04Z")
If you can get to 8.1.28 or higher, you get a much newer Chromium version inside the Designer. ---
**Author:** ![Felipe\_CRM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Felipe\_CRM](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Felipe_CRM)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ruler-display-not-displaying-lines-window-tearing-badly/76389/7 "2023-07-14T17:42:54Z")
> [@ian.sebryk](#): > > nested embedded views of coordinate containers Does everything have to be lined up exactly? Flex containers might be a lot less painful to set up. In fact, a layout like the one in the screenshot just screams "flex" to me, but that's honestly just me ðŸĪ·â€â™‚ïļ ---
**Author:** ![ian.sebryk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/ian.sebryk/32/49319_2.png) [@ian.sebryk](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/ian.sebryk)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 5:51pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ruler-display-not-displaying-lines-window-tearing-badly/76389/8 "2023-07-14T17:51:18Z")
@paul-griffith i'll have to ask the IT dept. since it is a dot.dot version, it shouldn't be an issue. @Felipe_CRM i do not have words... this is _ **EXACTLY** _ what i _want_ to do, but i literally have to rebuild the whole stack almost from scratch. it's a forking gong show. so i'm picking bits that are relatively self-contained and trying to branch from there. yeah... i want to make it so much easier, but the predecessor had no knowledge of the tools. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Felipe\_CRM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Felipe\_CRM](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Felipe_CRM)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 6:02pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ruler-display-not-displaying-lines-window-tearing-badly/76389/9 "2023-07-14T18:02:44Z")
Sorry, I misunderstood before. Yeah, a lot of people come in to Ignition from FTView and try to treat it the same way, missing a lot of the neater stuff. ---
**Author:** ![ian.sebryk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/ian.sebryk/32/49319_2.png) [@ian.sebryk](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/ian.sebryk)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ruler-display-not-displaying-lines-window-tearing-badly/76389/10 "2023-07-14T18:31:17Z")
some of these are embedded views six or seven layers deep. i have no idea what was going through his head when he built this stuff... SMH. unravelling it, WITHOUT `pprint` or `json.dump()` is going to kill me. there's no way to quickly and easily visualize the data structures. ðŸ’Đ ---
**Author:** ![nminchin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nminchin/32/6911_2.png) [@nminchin](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nminchin)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 12:17am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ruler-display-not-displaying-lines-window-tearing-badly/76389/11 "2023-07-16T00:17:44Z")
> [@ian.sebryk](#): > > but the predecessor had no knowledge of the tools. Wow, that was all done in a coord container by the previous person? Also, I actually appreciate the precision; I like to position my components to 9 decimal points myself! And speaking of disappearing rulers, we saw an issue where if you zoom in, they get shorter until they disappear. ---
**Author:** ![andrew.budaiev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/andrew.budaiev/32/72921_2.png) [@andrew.budaiev](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/andrew.budaiev)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 1:31am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/ruler-display-not-displaying-lines-window-tearing-badly/76389/12 "2023-07-17T01:31:45Z")
> [@nminchin](#): > > And speaking of disappearing rulers, we saw an issue where if you zoom in, they get shorter until they disappear. There is an internal ticket for this created maybe 3 months ago. I assume rulers are not a high priority for a quick fix (or perhaps a fix is not so quick).