# Simatic WinCC 7.5 and SQL server without runtime

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**Category:** General Discussion\
**Tags:** scripting\
**Created:** [March 17, 2025, 11:53pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/simatic-wincc-7-5-and-sql-server-without-runtime/103815 "2025-03-17T23:53:24Z")\
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**Author:** ![m.ardahanlilar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@m.ardahanlilar](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/m.ardahanlilar)\
**Post date:** [March 17, 2025, 11:53pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/simatic-wincc-7-5-and-sql-server-without-runtime/103815/1 "2025-03-17T23:53:24Z")

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hello, im new scada learner and i have simatic wincc7.5, i made a wincc program and tags and tag logging i can write the data to sql when runtime is open, how can i write the data permanently when runtime is closed ?

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**Author:** ![dgillbee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/dgillbee/32/73838_2.png) [@dgillbee](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/dgillbee)\
**Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 6:53am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/simatic-wincc-7-5-and-sql-server-without-runtime/103815/2 "2025-03-18T06:53:51Z")

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Hi, I think there may be some confusion. Are you using WinCC? If so that is made by Siemens so maybe check out their [support page](https://sieportal.siemens.com/en-ww/support). This forum is for Ignition specifically. In Ignition you can use a [shutdown event](https://www.docs.inductiveautomation.com/docs/8.1/ignition-modules/perspective/scripting-in-perspective/perspective-session-events-scripts#startup-and-shutdown-example) to run some code after a session is closed.

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**Author:** ![bschroeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/bschroeder/32/13260_2.png) [@bschroeder](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/bschroeder)\
**Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 2:32pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/simatic-wincc-7-5-and-sql-server-without-runtime/103815/3 "2025-03-18T14:32:24Z")

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To be fair... this is the general discussion section, so non-ignition discussion is ok.

You might find someone here who knows WinCC enough to help you out, but your best bet would be to contact Siemens directly to communicate about this.

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**Author:** ![JordanCClark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/jordancclark/32/83362_2.png) [@JordanCClark](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/JordanCClark)\
**Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 7:56am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/simatic-wincc-7-5-and-sql-server-without-runtime/103815/4 "2025-03-19T07:56:03Z")

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Im not a Siemens guy, but I'd say you would need to run it as a service.

> **[Starting WinCC as a Service - 79926 - Industry Support Siemens](https://support.industry.siemens.com/forum/WW/en/posts/starting-wincc-as-a-service/79926)**
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> Is it possible to run WinCC 7 as a service on Windows Server 2008? And if so, has anyone done it before? Thanks.