# Transaction Groups if exists update if not create **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 5:16am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/transaction-groups-if-exists-update-if-not-create/42051 "2021-01-08T05:16:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![brandon222](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@brandon222](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/brandon222)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 5:16am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/transaction-groups-if-exists-update-if-not-create/42051/1 "2021-01-08T05:16:53Z")
Hi everyone, I have searched for this but can’t seem to find it. I am wondering if there is a way to use a Transaction Group (Block Group to be exact) where there are 7 groups with 300 tags each. When the transaction is triggered I would like it to search through the db for those using the recipeNum and if it doesn’t exist than create it. I know I can use “custom” in the table action area but from what I read it just updates an entry if it exists. Am I correct on this or am I doing something wrong? ---
**Author:** ![JordanCClark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/jordancclark/32/83362_2.png) [@JordanCClark](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/JordanCClark)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 1:36pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/transaction-groups-if-exists-update-if-not-create/42051/2 "2021-01-08T13:36:23Z")
key/value pairs will let you do this. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/e/7/e7578f7191087df8408eb197576ff2c31ecc809a.png) ---
**Author:** ![brandon222](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@brandon222](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/brandon222)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:59pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/transaction-groups-if-exists-update-if-not-create/42051/3 "2021-01-08T18:59:05Z")
Sorry I should have mentioned I’m on ignition 7 and that isn’t available ---
**Author:** ![MMaynard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/mmaynard/32/3366_2.png) [@MMaynard](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/MMaynard)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:01pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/transaction-groups-if-exists-update-if-not-create/42051/4 "2021-01-08T19:01:19Z")
Yes it is. ![keyvalue](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/e/7/e791f198bdf44d9eded42db8deb20e8dbabcdbeb.png) ---
**Author:** ![brandon222](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@brandon222](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/brandon222)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/transaction-groups-if-exists-update-if-not-create/42051/5 "2021-01-08T19:09:40Z")
![Transaction](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/c/0/c025c0838ba2bd28fe9cdfff4fc45c0f62ff2793.jpeg) Thats what I have. Am I suppose to enable it somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![JordanCClark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/jordancclark/32/83362_2.png) [@JordanCClark](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/JordanCClark)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:39pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/transaction-groups-if-exists-update-if-not-create/42051/6 "2021-01-08T19:39:59Z")
Which v7? ---
**Author:** ![brandon222](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@brandon222](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/brandon222)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/transaction-groups-if-exists-update-if-not-create/42051/7 "2021-01-08T19:55:10Z")
It is V7.9.16 ---
**Author:** ![brandon222](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@brandon222](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/brandon222)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/transaction-groups-if-exists-update-if-not-create/42051/8 "2021-01-08T20:23:37Z")
I see the key/value pairs exists for a standard group but not for a block group