# Udts without instance Tags count toward the tag count?

**URL:** <https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/udts-without-instance-tags-count-toward-the-tag-count/116740>\
**Category:** Ignition\
**Tags:** ignition81\
**Created:** [August 11, 2026, 8:13am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/udts-without-instance-tags-count-toward-the-tag-count/116740 "2026-08-11T08:13:41Z")\
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**Author:** ![philin15](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a4c791/32.png) [@philin15](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/philin15)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 8:13am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/udts-without-instance-tags-count-toward-the-tag-count/116740/1 "2026-08-11T08:13:41Z")

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As you can see, in the 'udtTest' tag provider I only create a udt library, but the tag count is already 48326.  
My question are:  
1.if I don't create any instance of these udts, it still count toward the tag count?  
2.do udts without instances still consume gateway cpu resource?

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**Author:** ![kvaneenennaam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kvaneenennaam/32/81819_2.png) [@kvaneenennaam](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/kvaneenennaam)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 5:47pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/udts-without-instance-tags-count-toward-the-tag-count/116740/2 "2026-08-11T17:47:57Z")

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The tag count on that page counts folders and tags, and UDT definitions/instances are made of folders and tags. It is tracking the total unique clickable rows in the tag provider + 1.

Static resources like the definitions would not be active resource hogs.

If you are connecting to PLCs the status pages for those devices will be a little more aligned with the number of active connections if that is what you are looking for in that Tag Count metric.