# Using ignition 7.9 Without Java Installed **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition\ **Tags:** vision\ **Created:** [April 8, 2024, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/using-ignition-7-9-without-java-installed/88515 "2024-04-08T14:22:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Adam\_Clarke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Adam\_Clarke](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Adam_Clarke)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/using-ignition-7-9-without-java-installed/88515/1 "2024-04-08T14:22:17Z")
I am hoping to get a nailed on answer if its is possible to open ignition on a client machine without Java if the parent machine has got java installed with any version of 7.9 or was this only added to the ignition 8 ---
**Author:** ![Kevin.Herron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/kevin.herron/32/7259_2.png) [@Kevin.Herron](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Kevin.Herron)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 2:23pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/using-ignition-7-9-without-java-installed/88515/2 "2024-04-08T14:23:31Z")
If you use the Native Client Launcher instead of the JNLP files you can launch a Vision Client without Java installed because the NCL includes its own copy. > **[Native Client Launchers | Ignition User Manual](https://docs.inductiveautomation.com/docs/7.9/clients/native-client-launchers)** > > The Ignition Gateway contains downloadable native executables that can launch Clients directly without invoking Java Web Start. Using the native executables you can set up Clients in ways that are impossible to achieve with Java Web Start, such as... ---
**Author:** ![Adam\_Clarke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Adam\_Clarke](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Adam_Clarke)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 3:09pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/using-ignition-7-9-without-java-installed/88515/3 "2024-04-08T15:09:19Z")
Im getting this error when i try using the native client launcher ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/original/3X/0/6/06774b495b5a628bfcd3e866337e2668c2b4870f.png) ---
**Author:** ![Transistor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/transistor/32/3380_2.png) [@Transistor](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Transistor)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 3:48pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/using-ignition-7-9-without-java-installed/88515/4 "2024-04-08T15:48:03Z")
Show some logical troubleshooting! - Did you confirm that the gateway is running? - What result did you get when you pinged the gateway from the client PC? - What result did you get when you browsed to `http://:8088` from the client PC? ---
**Author:** ![Adam\_Clarke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Adam\_Clarke](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Adam_Clarke)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 4:02pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/using-ignition-7-9-without-java-installed/88515/5 "2024-04-08T16:02:03Z")
The gateway is running as its on my PC Infront of me and trying to access it from another beside me i ca ping the Ip address both ways and i can open the web browser but when i go to use the native launcher and type my project in it comes up available and i click on it it starts to download the packets to open the project and when it gets to the 71/71 it crashes and shows that error instead of the usual open of the project ---
**Author:** ![pturmel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/pturmel/32/3295_2.png) [@pturmel](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pturmel)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/using-ignition-7-9-without-java-installed/88515/6 "2024-04-08T16:18:49Z")
That sounds like some anti-virus interfering.