# Vision Vs Perspective for new projects **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition\ **Tags:** ignition80\ **Created:** [June 15, 2020, 6:44am UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/vision-vs-perspective-for-new-projects/35642 "2020-06-15T06:44:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 8
**Author:** ![nader.chinichian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/nader.chinichian/32/9261_2.png) [@nader.chinichian](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/nader.chinichian)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 5:30pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/vision-vs-perspective-for-new-projects/35642/8 "2020-06-27T17:30:45Z")
Hi Keith What I said is for now but I believe in future it will get better. I've done three project in vision and in the end I personally use perspective in every case now but I face a lot of problem with perspective in regard of performance. For example consider opening and saving a view. Vision is much faster in my experience it is at least 3 times in best case. The vision drawing tools is really nice and also you can deep into any svg object in object tree but instead in perspective you have to find the svg element you need in DOM element tree which is very hard and time consuming . Working with nested container is really laggy and hard specially when double clicking on object doesn't work for first time. If you have an template in vision window double click on it open the source but in perspective for embedded view you should find it on view tree and open it. Even switch between open views in perspective take a lot of time. Lastly I face new problem with embedded view as you already know. Now I have to redesign my view to make my embedded view as low as possible. > [@Embedded view doesn't render on view startup](http://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/embedded-view-doesnt-render-on-view-startup/35907): > > Hi In views with many embedded view objects(more than 80), when opening the view some of the embedded view randomly doesn’t render at all. Even refreshing the page doesn’t fix this and only randomly some other embedded views doesn’t render each time. I can see this bug in every devices even powerful ones and even in designer. It seems there is timeout involve and when the client doesn’t get embedded view data, ignition ignore them. I test it on 8.0.12 and 8.0.13. … Don't you agree with me? --- _[View the full topic](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/vision-vs-perspective-for-new-projects/35642)._