# Why are size and position not displayed in the properties panel?

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**Category:** Ignition Exchange\
**Created:** [July 2, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-are-size-and-position-not-displayed-in-the-properties-panel/92706 "2024-07-02T18:29:54Z")\
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**Author:** ![Dustin\_VanKeuren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b782af/32.png) [@Dustin\_VanKeuren](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Dustin_VanKeuren)\
**Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-are-size-and-position-not-displayed-in-the-properties-panel/92706/1 "2024-07-02T18:29:54Z")

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Size and position are properties, why are they not displayed in the properties panel?

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**Author:** ![Ryan\_Deardorff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/ryan_deardorff/32/63815_2.png) [@Ryan\_Deardorff](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Ryan_Deardorff)\
**Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-are-size-and-position-not-displayed-in-the-properties-panel/92706/2 "2024-07-02T18:48:13Z")

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Because Position its its own panel, and basis/grow/shrink determine size. Though they _are_ displayed under Properties if you add them as style elements...

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**Author:** ![Dustin\_VanKeuren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b782af/32.png) [@Dustin\_VanKeuren](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/Dustin_VanKeuren)\
**Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-are-size-and-position-not-displayed-in-the-properties-panel/92706/3 "2024-07-18T16:05:06Z")

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They SHOULD be in the property panel. My question was mostly rhetorical. I know there is a separate panel.

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**Author:** ![pturmel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/pturmel/32/3295_2.png) [@pturmel](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pturmel)\
**Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-are-size-and-position-not-displayed-in-the-properties-panel/92706/4 "2024-07-18T16:10:18Z")

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Putting them in the properties panel implies that they are bindable, or referenceable by other bindings, or otherwise manipulable just like any other property. But they aren't, because at runtime, in a real client, they are controlled by Vision's **layout** operations, with scaling/repositioning/resizing outside of direct control. The values in the designer are not the final runtime values.

Putting them in the properties panel would be misleading.