# Why doesn't the default Tag group show up in searches or is exported to Json? **URL:** \ **Category:** Ignition\ **Tags:** vision\ **Created:** [September 12, 2024, 1:58pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-doesnt-the-default-tag-group-show-up-in-searches-or-is-exported-to-json/95903 "2024-09-12T13:58:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![robertm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea5d25/32.png) [@robertm](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/robertm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:58pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-doesnt-the-default-tag-group-show-up-in-searches-or-is-exported-to-json/95903/1 "2024-09-12T13:58:53Z")
Vision 8.1.38 I have an app where I need to change the Default Tag Group assignments for a many tags dispersed through multiple providers to another predefined tag group. I though first, I'll search the tags for "Default" and do a find/replace. No, any other Tag Group is searchable but not Default. Okay, so I'll do it externally, and export the tags to a Json file, and search/replace there. Also no, as when a Tag has a tag group of "Default", the Tag Group entry is not exported to Json. Any way around this for globally searching/replacing the "Default" Tag group in tags, whether in one provider or across multiple providers? ---
**Author:** ![michael.flagler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/michael.flagler/32/26272_2.png) [@michael.flagler](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/michael.flagler)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 2:16pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-doesnt-the-default-tag-group-show-up-in-searches-or-is-exported-to-json/95903/2 "2024-09-12T14:16:41Z")
My understanding is that default values for tags aren't exported (for all configuration parameters/properties, not just the tag group). I don't know of a quick way of doing it, but I'm guessing it could be done with scripting of the exported file to add a tag group if it doesn't exist. ---
**Author:** ![paul-griffith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/paul-griffith/32/37249_2.png) [@paul-griffith](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/paul-griffith)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-doesnt-the-default-tag-group-show-up-in-searches-or-is-exported-to-json/95903/3 "2024-09-12T14:38:19Z")
I'm sure jq could do it: [https://jqlang.github.io/jq/](https://jqlang.github.io/jq/) ---
**Author:** ![lrose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/lrose/32/62724_2.png) [@lrose](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/lrose)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-doesnt-the-default-tag-group-show-up-in-searches-or-is-exported-to-json/95903/4 "2024-09-12T14:41:48Z")
This should do what you're looking for. You can use `system.tag.read*()` to get the values of any tag property default or otherwise. So you simply need to recursively browse your tags and write the value to any tag that isn't correct. ```python def updateTagGroup(parentPath,currentTagGroup,newTagGroup): results = system.tag.browse(parentPath,{'tagType':'AtomicTag','recursive':True}).results readPaths = ['{}.tagGroup'.format(result['fullPath']) for result in results] tagGroups = {path:qv.value for path,qv in zip(readPaths,system.tag.readBlocking(readPaths))} writePaths = [k for k,v in tagGroups.iteritems if v == currentTagGroup] system.tag.writeBlocking(writePaths,[newTagGroup] * len(writePaths)) ``` You may need to change the filter if UDT's are involved, but generally something like this will accomplish your goal. ---
**Author:** ![pturmel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/inductiveautomation/user_avatar/forum.inductiveautomation.com/pturmel/32/3295_2.png) [@pturmel](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/pturmel)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 2:42pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-doesnt-the-default-tag-group-show-up-in-searches-or-is-exported-to-json/95903/5 "2024-09-12T14:42:47Z")
Have you tried using `system.tag.query()` ? (AKA the Tag Report Tool.) ---
**Author:** ![robertm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea5d25/32.png) [@robertm](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/robertm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 3:03pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-doesnt-the-default-tag-group-show-up-in-searches-or-is-exported-to-json/95903/6 "2024-09-12T15:03:06Z")
Yes, I have....It identifies the tags, but then I imagined I would need scripting without brute force to change them. Edit: Did not realize that I could globally select and change attributes in the Reporting tool! That's a powerful feature. I knew you could edit individual tags within the report, but never tried selecting multiples. ---
**Author:** ![robertm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea5d25/32.png) [@robertm](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/robertm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 3:03pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-doesnt-the-default-tag-group-show-up-in-searches-or-is-exported-to-json/95903/7 "2024-09-12T15:03:57Z")
Perfect. Fortunately, my UDTs are predefined with the tag groups I needed. It's the few tags someone drug in from the OPC browser that I need to find and change. ---
**Author:** ![robertm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea5d25/32.png) [@robertm](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/u/robertm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 4:53pm UTC](https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/why-doesnt-the-default-tag-group-show-up-in-searches-or-is-exported-to-json/95903/8 "2025-06-25T16:53:38Z")
A further question on tag query tool. Why do UDTs and folders show up as Default Tag group? I dont see where a tag group is even associated with a folder or UDT instance, only the atomic tags under them.