Building a Perspective Kiosk on Seeed Reterminal-DM (or any RPI-4 based system)

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Indeed, that looks like a capable machine. Will keep it in mind.
We ordered a few of these recently, good experience so far!

We've been using OnLogic for 95% of our Edge deployments. While we've had a few units sent back for RMA, dealing with their team is always easy, well worth the minor frustrations we've encountered.

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On a side note, looks like others have made some good headway on a Perspective-native solution for on-screen-keyboard:

Forum: https://forum.inductiveautomation.com/t/perspective-text-field-numeric-keypad/71229/26?u=chris_bingham
Blog: https://www.aoautomation.io/blog/tutorials-lessons-learned-1/perspective-number-keypad-3
Exchange: https://inductiveautomation.com/exchange/2380/installation

I still like the idea of OS keyboard (mobile users vs desktop vs touchscreen, etc.). However, that Exchange keyboard is looking promising.

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I got in touch with OnLogic, but after the appalling customer service experience, they are off the list for any future considerations.

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If you read the overview on that keypad, you will see that I wrote the original one he based it on about 18 months ago. He has attributed this nicely in the description, which is actually very nice of him, so kudos to him, also his graphics look nicer than mine.
This keypad is great, but it fails every time on login. So thats why I abandoned it as a solution for touchscreen HMI usage.
The only way to get the login to work with a keypad without editing IA code is to use the OS keyboard.

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I've been playing around with other Chromium packages. Promising results so-far with Electron. OSK (ubuntu-frame-osk) working as-expected, drop-down menus not crashing the browser. I followed this example (Packaging an Electron application (Quick Start) as an IoT GUI - Docs - Ubuntu Community Hub) as a starting point. Basically, on a development box (with certain dependencies pre-installed, including ubuntu-frame):

cd ~
git clone https://github.com/MirServer/iot-example-graphical-snap.git
cd iot-example-graphical-snap
git checkout 22/Electron-quick-start
# Update default URL @ parts:electron-helloworld:override-build
sudo nano snap/snapcraft.yaml 
# Update chromium flags @ exec $SNAP/.../electron-quick-start
sudo nano wrapper/wrapper.sh
lxd init --auto
snapcraft
sudo snap install --dangerous *.snap
/snap/iot-example-graphical-snap/current/bin/setup.sh
# Edit: Comment below due to plugs should be connected in setup script above.
# sudo snap connect iot-example-graphical-snap:wayland
sudo snap set iot-example-graphical-snap daemon=true

Now taking some vacation for a week. Hope to return and finish setting up a deployable kiosk to test out...

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This time, focusing exclusively on snap packages. Here are the solutions I've been toying with:

  • Chromium Browser via electron-quick-start (inspiration from the above iot-example snap script, opted for Quick Start | Electron instead)
    • Pros: Lots. Snap package is easy to deploy, should work on Ubuntu Core (needs testing), easy to update... Easy to add additional flags to browser call w/ integration to snap environment vars: 'snap set url', 'snap set host-rules', etc. App loads after reboot without any fancy footwork (i.e. automatically AFTER ubuntu-frame). OSK fully functional at IDP. Scroll bars are meaningful, window rescales as expected, etc.
    • Cons: Found an issue (perhaps the only one, albeit significant) whereby the OSK appears only briefly within Perspective Project when clicking on an input field, then closes & does not reappear :slightly_frowning_face: .
  • Perspective Workstation Snap w/ Xwayland functionality. I was able to package Xwayland and a window manager in a snap, and display a -different- Java app on ubuntu-frame. I've been working through packaging Perspective Workstation in the snap, but keep hitting various Java errors I'm trying to work through.
    • Pros: TBD
    • Cons: The developer. :slight_smile: I haven't been able to successfully load the workstation-linux.jar to test anything yet. Snap environment & confinement are all uphill for this guy. Luckily, I've got a firehose nearby to keep me hydrated.